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Latest comment: 1 day ago by Packrat3860 in topic Academics

Requested edit

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  • What I think should be changed (include citations):
  • Why it should be changed:

The edits above represent the college factually and address a variety of factual, grammatical, and out-of-date issues including how and how much we pay our students, how our work and service programs function, our academic offerings, notable alumni, etc. Also removed broken references, and replaced where available. Happy to discuss further! We are hoping to build out the history and Athletics sections further soon but wanted to address all of the glaring issues first. Thank you!

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MBlazer26 (talk) 15:28, 19 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

Not done for now: Your request suggests a rewrite of the article. Large changes such as this are best broken down into sections for review. Aloneinthewild (talk) 20:29, 19 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • What I think should be changed (include citations):

Warren Wilson College (WWC) is a private liberal arts college in Swannanoa, North Carolina. It is known for its curriculum that combines academics, work, and service as every student must complete a required course of study, finish an internship, work an on-campus job, and perform community service. Warren Wilson is one of eight colleges in the Work Colleges Consortium.[1]

The college campus includes a 300-acre (1.2 km2) working farm, market garden, and 600 acres (2.4 km2) of managed forest with 16 miles (26 km) of hiking trails.[2]

  • Why it should be changed:

Edited to include new requirements surrounding internships and removed repeated information. Also correctly directs to reference about farm, garden, etc.

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MBlazer26 (talk) 19:22, 20 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ↑ "Our Model and Mission". Warren Wilson College. Retrieved 19 August 2026.
  2. ↑ "The Center for Working Lands". Warren Wilson College. Retrieved 19 August 2026.
Done Aloneinthewild (talk) 12:58, 23 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
Thank you! MBlazer26 (talk) 13:59, 25 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

Requested edit - 25 August 2026

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  • What I think should be changed (include citations):

Academics

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Undergraduate

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The foundation of the school's undergraduate curriculum establishes that all students earn 120 hours of academic credit, work 10–16 hours per week for the school, and complete community engagement requirements.[1][2] Students earn $10 per hour that goes directly towards their tuition.[3]

Required subjects include Artistic Expression, Humanities, Natural Sciences, Quantitative Reasoning, and Social and Human Behavior to graduate and receive a Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Science degree.[4] In addition to traditional liberal arts majors such as Biology, English, and Psychology, undergraduates have the option of majoring in Outdoor Leadership and Outdoor Business, Media and Communications, Environmental Studies, Sustainable Agriculture and Food Studies, and Environmental Science.[5]

Every major has a capstone sequence, where students complete research, a creative project, or a field study and then present their Capstone at the end of their studies.[6][7]

Work Program

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WWC has more than 60 student work crews.[8] Students commit to working 150, 180, or 240 hours each semester, to cover a portion of the cost of attendance.[9] Work Crews contribute in different areas, assuming administrative, academic, programmatic, and land management duties on campus.[10]

Community Engagement

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Community engagement is required to graduate. Students start their first year at Service Day, an annual tradition[11] that brings students across the local area to begin their work with a community partner that they continue to work with throughout their first semester as part of their First Year Seminar (FYS) course.[12] Throughout their four years, students serve the community through courses, research, internships, work crews, and study abroad trips.[13][14]

Graduate degree programs

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The college offers a Master of Fine Arts degree in Creative Writing[15] and a Master of Science in Applied Climate Studies(MACS).[16] Warren Wilson is considered a pioneer of the low-residency MFA model and has since adapted the model for its MACS program.[17]

A Master of Arts program focused on "critical craft theory and history" was offered from 2017 to 2022 in association with the Center for Craft in Asheville, N.C.

  • Why it should be changed:

Edits our work and community engagement requirements, how much students make, required subjects, and increases the amount of majors mentioned. Edits required research info. Adds more information about community service at the college. Add information about our Master of Science in Applied Climate Studies program. Fixes broken reference links and grammar.

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MBlazer26 (talk) 13:58, 25 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ↑ "Warren Wilson College". Work Colleges Consortium. Retrieved 1 October 2026.
  2. ↑ "Academics". Warren Wilson College. Retrieved 19 August 2026.
  3. ↑ "Work Program". Warren Wilson College. Retrieved 1 October 2026.
  4. ↑ "Baccalaureate Degree Requirements" (PDF). Warren Wilson College. Retrieved 1 October 2026.
  5. ↑ "Programs of Study". Warren Wilson College. Retrieved 19 August 2026.
  6. ↑ "Warren Wilson College AC-6: Sustainability Research". aashe.org. Retrieved 1 October 2026.
  7. ↑ "Senior Research". Warren Wilson College. Retrieved 19 August 2026.
  8. ↑ "Work Crews". Warren Wilson College. Retrieved 1 October 2026.
  9. ↑ "Warren Wilson College Fast Facts" (PDF). Work College Consortium. Retrieved 1 October 2026.
  10. ↑ "Work Requirements". Warren Wilson College. Retrieved 19 August 2026.
  11. ↑ Watford, Tammy. "Warren Wilson College marks new school year by giving back". WLOS. Retrieved 1 October 2026.
  12. ↑ "Warren Wilson College students kick-start the school year with community service day". WLOS. Retrieved 29 September 2026.
  13. ↑ "Warren Wilson College EN-2: Co-Curricular Activities". aashe.org. Retrieved 1 October 2026.
  14. ↑ "Community Engagement". Warren Wilson College. Retrieved 19 August 2026.
  15. ↑ "MFA Program for Writers". Warren Wilson College MFA. Retrieved 19 August 2026.
  16. ↑ "Master of Science in Applied Climate Studies". Warren Wilson College. Retrieved 19 August 2026.
  17. ↑ DiOrio, Ed. "Warren Wilson College adds new master's program in climate studies". WLOS. Retrieved 1 October 2026.

Response 2026-09-12

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Not done: This is written in an overly promotional tone, and provides too much detail backed only by the subject's website. Please see WP:PROMO and WP:IS. Packrat3860 (talk) 22:43, 12 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Hi there!
Thank you for your feedback, I have removed some parts that could be considered overly promotional and have included a news article. Please let me know how I can further assist! MBlazer26 (talk) 18:10, 29 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
So now we have a bunch of promotional statements backed by only the subject's website and one thin local news report (no byline, WP:CHURNALISM?) that doesn't fully corroborate the claim it's attached to (no mention of an "annual tradition" or the relationship to the "FYS".
We need independent sources discussing this in depth. Wikipedia is not just a mirror for the college's waxing lyrical about its own programs. Packrat3860 (talk) 19:50, 29 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Currently much of the information on the Warren Wilson College wikipedia page is now false because of the recent overhaul of programs. The piece that was removed about work colleges in the work college consortium paying students by check has not been true for a long time, and was thus removed.
As a small school Warren Wilson College only has a few news stories come out a year and are often most talked about in content that isn't free for everyone, (ex. You have to pay for the Fiske Guide to Colleges.) Much of this information is new as the school recently changed how certain things work, removing the community engagement commitment program for community engaged courses etc, although stories about our annual service day can be found tracing back years just from the school itself.
The news article listed does talk about it being annual "It sort of sets the ground for four years of community engagement. So, they spend the day in camaraderie with each other, investing in the community and learning about their surroundings," and that it is part of the First Year Seminar (FYS) course "The students will work with their assigned community partner for the entire semester." - just in a nonspecific way. Additionally that story was a video story from WLOS that was transcribed into an article - hence no byline, and wasn't written by the school - you can find that article for service day 2023 here: https://www.warren-wilson.edu/2023/08/17/service-day-2/.
The content you are asking for hasn't been removed from the page - it just never existed to begin with. The page has always relied heavily on the school's website to back it up.
I am not trying to wax lyrical, I am trying my best to work within wikipedia's rules and what was already written to update what is wrong and include new information.
Happy to clear anything else up! MBlazer26 (talk) 16:50, 30 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
If anything not sourced is out of date feel free to point it out and I'll happily remove it. I apologize if I came off as snarky, but we don't really make an exception to the requirement for independent sources simply because the subject isn't small. If there's very little published about the college by independent secondary sources then the article for the college may just have to be small. I understand that as someone who is associated with the university it kinda sucks to hear that much of what it does isn't notable by Wikipedia's standards.
Also, there's no requirement that the sources you cite be free. If there are books or reports of some sort that can be used a source for these claims you can cite them. It might take a bit for someone to get their hands on it to verify but I'm happy to give it a shot (my local library's ILL department probably knows me well by now, lol).
All this to say, we must WP:STICKTOTHESOURCE. Whereof reliable independent sources do not speak thereof we must be silent. Packrat3860 (talk) 18:11, 30 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for taking time to explain! Here are parts that are sourced to us or not sourced at all that are currently wrong.
The section that currently reads "The foundation of the school's undergraduate curriculum establishes that all students earn 128 hours of academic credit, work 10-20 hours per week for the school, and complete the Community Engagement Commitment.[1] Students earn $9.05 per hour that goes directly towards their tuition. Unlike other schools in the Work College Consortium, students at Warren Wilson do not receive traditional pay checks."
Needs to change as follows: "The foundation of the school's undergraduate curriculum establishes that all students earn 128 hours of academic credit, work 10-20 10-16 hours per week for the school, and complete the Ccommunity Eengagement Commitment requirements.[1] Students earn $9.05 $10 per hour that goes directly towards their tuition. Unlike other schools in the Work College Consortium, students at Warren Wilson do not receive traditional pay checks."
The section that reads "WWC has more than 70 work crews that are supported by students who commit to working 120, 180, or 240 hours each semester, helping to cover a portion of the cost of attendance. Work Crews contribute in different areas, assuming administrative, academic, custodial, land management duties on campus."
Needs to change as follows: "WWC has more than 70 60 work crews that are supported by students who commit to working 120 150, 180, or 240 hours each semester, helping to cover a portion of the cost of attendance. Work Crews contribute in different areas, assuming administrative, academic, custodial, land management duties on campus. : MBlazer26 (talk) 19:09, 30 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I have removed the outdated sections. Packrat3860 (talk) 19:58, 30 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Hi there! It looks like you removed the entire sections instead of just the pieces of such that are wrong. Would it be better for me to source the college's catalog that is reviewed and approved by SACSOC?
I understand the argument against utilizing the college website for promotional means but it is a primary source of information that is produced by the school itself of its requirements that work quite differently than other liberal arts schools. MBlazer26 (talk) 14:42, 1 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
I have added quite a few more sources to support this section and it has been further edited. MBlazer26 (talk) 15:47, 1 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
I removed those sections because they had no reliable sources and I could not find any.
I will consult with the higher ed project and see if they have any advice, because as is this article is leaning way too heavily on the university's own website as a source and essentially all of the additions you're asking for make that problem even more entrenched. If there are no other sources then we need to remove a lot of what is in the article. We can't just start accepting unreliable sources because no reliable sources exist. Packrat3860 (talk) 21:48, 1 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
  1. 1 2 Cite error: The named reference Community Engagement Commitment was invoked but never defined (see the help page).