Talk:Volition

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I am surprised to find no mention here of the philosophical controversy surrounding the concept of volition, qua free-will vs determinism. Do Psychologists by and large not acknowledge this debate? Do they tacitly assume one side of it? ______________ ALSO- Someone who is AN EXPERT [not me!] should address this issue in the context of the prefrontal lobe and anterior cingulate dysfunction in the case of "executive function deficit" from injury or disease. 209.6.187.121 (talk) 02:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

That sounds pretty expertish to me; go ahead an address it. Will has a lot of controversy, even at a 101 level. Everything from what you're seeking (truth/justice/love/...) all the way to dimensions and further to omnism and back. Volition and will should be combined at this point, however volition would be a subset, most likely. Phil.andy.graves (talk) 03:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Incredibly complex language

The depth of psychology reference is great, but I think the article would be well-served with some more philosophical/layman's perspective on volition

NPOV?

It says "The observer's error is to assume that humans are essentially rational creatures, and that human will always serves that rationality. In fact, we are only partly rational, and often our will serves various motivations aside from reason."

This is not NPOV. To determine whether humans are in fact "only partly rational" we'd have to determine whether these "various motivations" are not rational ends in and of themselves.

It could as easily be asserted that we are all rational, but since being rational just means weighing costs and benefits what is and is not rational depends upon what a person's ends are and what information they have and what that information says about them getting what they want. 35.10.217.82 (talk) 10:29, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Occupational Therapy should not be included in an article on psychology

As an occupational therapy student with a BA in psychology, I strenuously object to the casual reference to Dr.Gary Keilhofner's Model of human occupation. This is an inappropriate and inaccurate use of his model,which is a model of occupational therapy. This is sloppy work and should not be tolerated. Occupational Therapy is a profession that stands alone with it's own theoretical base that is separate from psychology. I am beginning work on a separate page devoted to Dr. Keilfhofner and his model of human occupation ,which is not a part of any school of psychology. This issue needs to be addressed in an aggressive and professional manner — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.252.85.223 (talk) 02:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

I agree, and I also found it jarring that this section referred to volition as one of three modes without providing what the other two modes are. Just an unhelpful reference all around. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.155.33.124 (talk) 17:35, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 10 May 2026

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The result of the move request was: moved. primary topic over long term significance per consensus. (non-admin closure) Jacksonvil (alt) (talk) (contribs) (Main account) 11:33, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

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• Volition (psychology) → Volition
• Volition → Volition (disambiguation)

– While the psychological concept and the video game studio both share similar pageviews, it is clear that the concept is of tremendously more longterm significance. The article on the concept is somewhat weak, but seems to have potential. It is a similar situation to apple and Apple Inc., where the company gets more pageviews but the natural concept that is its namesake remains primary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:42, 10 May 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 05:06, 17 May 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs}} 09:45, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

• Support: the psychological concept is the main meaning associated with the term. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:04, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
• Weak oppose the psychological concept has 4,102 views but the company has 6,548, the Protest the Hero album has 748, the film has 507, the linguistics meaning has 491, the As Hell Retreats album has 24 and Volition Records has 68[]. The linguistics meaning also appears to have quite a bit of long-term significance. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:02, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
• What is the assessment of Volition (linguistics) in this regard? It's a much longer article and seems just as scholarly and educational. --Joy (talk) 08:01, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

  In my opinion, even considering it equally significant as the psychological concept, the pageviews aren't there to establish it as equally primary. On a good day it gets around 1/7th of the views, on a bad one, less than 1/10th, sometimes even less than 1/20th. It is a more niche concept, and the views reflect that. Were the psychological article actually fully fleshed-out, it would likely get even more views. It also appears to be directly based on the term as used to describe willpower. I have no qualms about putting both the company and the linguistics meaning directly in the hatnote before the DAB page, though. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

• Support. Primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:07, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
• Support – primary topic over the company per significance, and the linguistics concept per Zxcvbnm seems niche. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 17:24, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

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