Talk:Veles (god)

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Some celebrate St. Nicholas(Santa Claus) on Dec. 19 (Ukraine). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grigoryev (talk • contribs) 02:40, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

rewrite

thanks for the extension, Hier0phant, it's an interesting read; since your reference is not very accessible, I guess we'll have to take your word that all your info was taken from Belaj. dab (ᛏ) 09:39, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

• I assure you his work is of a highest quality, a superb summary of top research made in decipherment of Slavic mythology during last 50 years.-- Hier0phant 09:45, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Wool and cattle?

How is it logical that "wool" would be related to horned cattle? Cattle don't have wool, as far as I understand it. This assertion, in the etymology section, makes no sense to me, and needs explanation. Fuzzypeg☻ 00:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• I agree. In addition, the word "Volos" is a corruption of the Proto-Slavonic word "kolos" (stem, spikelet). This explains God's connection with fertility. Noraskulk (talk) 17:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC).

Primary chronicle

I move a section which appears problematic here:

Firstly, he is mentioned in peace treaties of early 10th century between Rulers of Kievan Rus' and Byzantine emperors, where the Slavs make an oath of peace by swearing upon their gods, Perun and Volos.

The primary chronicle was written in the 12th century, and instead of "Slavs", it talks of Norsemen called Karl, Farulf, Vermund, Hrollaf, and Steinvith. This source notes that Volos was presumably a translation of a Norse god from the Greek original. Most likely the Greek original used the name of a Greek god in that place, see Interpretatio graeca. Since the removed section is completely unreferenced, and I find it a bit off-topic to discuss the custom of Interpretatio graeca, I think the text should be removed until a working non-OR suggestion is provided for how to treat it in the article.--Berig (talk) 14:48, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

See Also

4/6 of the See Also links on this page when I made this Discussion page edit had no legitimate relevance to this wiki page and no reason for anyone looking up this god to be interested. 3/4 were about unrelated gods from peoples without relation to the Slavic race. The fourth is also simply not another version of the same god, though is of a more closely related people (Norse). And, two of the three from unrelated peoples are from India, just how unrelated were they trying to get away with? Who would look up Slavic gods and decide they want to learn all about Indian gods instead? Absurd. I'm thinking whoever put those four links in must have been high. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.98.51.63 (talk) 02:37, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

hey, just a reader here, but i did note in several of the slavic gods' entries a connection through lineage to Vedic origins in the Indo-European tradition. perhaps that's why the links are there. and maybe i'm more curious than the average cat but I'd be into reading about those linkages. 64.223.106.77 (talk) 01:37, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

If people want to put links on wiki pages, please make sure they're actually related to the page in question. (I'm often spotting weird links like that on pages likely to have lower reader traffic. I've even caught people snagging free advertisement linkage to hardly related websites before, sometimes even to sites selling something. It's ridiculous.) Sensical See Also links would be to pages for other Slavic gods, pages for things to do with this same god, and pages for gods that are actually similar enough that it might be another version of the same god. (No one going out of their virtual way to look up Slavic mythology in specific is looking for Vedic Indian stuff, and vice versa. There's simply no connection in these religious subjects.) The same goes for what's sensical to link in the external link sections, and those are intended more for sourcing than anything else (and should never be to something trying to swindle money out of unsuspecting wikipedia readers). I mean, if no one pays attention to the links, the externals will be filled with garbage, and the internals will get cluttered up with unrelated things seeking to increase their own page's traffic... If you see questionable, nonsensical, or inappropriate links on a page, please delete them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.98.51.63 (talk) 03:01, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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Enemy of Perun and storm myth

@Altenmann

The hypothesis of Ivanov and Vladimir N. Toporov (from 1974) is severely outdated na now majorily rejected in Slavic academia. The newer publications by A. Gieysztor, Gajdošíková Šebetovská, Klejn, Dynda and Téra demostrate the departure from the hypothesis. This paragraph need a serious rewok along with the initial description. It!s not even a "storm myth" it's called the "primary myth"

I tried to rework it while using the adequate up to date sourcing. Pan Podhorský (talk) 04:45, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

Please do this with adequate sources. However Ivanov/Toporov must be mentioned as well, because is is widespead. If you have sources that criticize I/T, this will be good addition as well. --Altenmann >talk 05:00, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

What was the problem with the previous sources? I mentioned them as well as their myth. The main structure of their reconstruction is much simpler than what is written in the article.

"The storm god is located at the top of the world mountain, the world tree, or simply in the sky, together with the Sun and the Moon. He is oriented toward the four cardinal directions.

At the roots of the world tree, on black fur, there is a dragon (змей).

The dragon seizes livestock and hides it in a rock. The storm god breaks the rock and frees the livestock (or the people).

The dragon tries to hide under living beings, a tree, or a stone.

The storm god, on a chariot or on horseback, with a weapon in his hand, smashes the stone and burns the tree.

After the dragon is defeated, water appears – rain. The dragon hides in the underground waters." (1)

(1): ИВАНОВ, ТОПОРОВ, Исследования в области славянских древностей,Москва 1974, page 5. Pan Podhorský (talk) 05:11, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

Etymology

I will now focus on the three theorised PIE roots, *wel-; *welh₁- and *welh₃-, and their meanings. I will be adding them once I draft the basic synopsis. Pan Podhorský (talk) 09:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)