Talk:Urumi

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I've seen two totally different designs for this weapon, one was the one pictured, the other was more like a very long sword that was flexible. Kjrajesh (talk) 10:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Dandpatta

Is this weapon related to the Maharashtrian Dandpatta? --Kunal ^(Talk) 09:50, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

This weapon is used in Kerala. It is trained in Kalaripayyattu. Kjrajesh (talk) 10:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Curious

How does this weapon fare against armored opponents? --208.179.66.227 (talk) 06:48, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

It was used in the battlefields of the Malabar coast against opponents armed with bucklers. Full armour (apart from chain mail for high ranking officials) was not very common in that area 2a02:c7f:461d:bd00:c80f:a4df:dfc9:41dd|2a02:c7f:461d:bd00:c80f:a4df:dfc9:41dd (talk) 23:31, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

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Urumi in "Samurai X"/"Kenshin"

Is the "whip-sword" used by villain Chou the Sword Hunter, from the Japanese manga/anime Samurai X/Rurouni Kenshin, an exaggerated example of an Urumi? Ivan Linares (talk) 00:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

why can't these added to cultural section ?

• The urumi is the weapon of choice of Kanroji Mitsuri, a character in the Demon Slayer manga series.

• In Japanese manga series, One Piece, Urumi is the weopon of Diamante, one of the top executives of the Donquixote Pirates

• In Japansese novel series Overlord The character Peshurian, known as the Void Executioner, wields an urumi

• In Japanese manga series, Chained Soldier (Mato Seihei no Slave), Features Prachi Sherawat, who possesses the ability called "Urumi," allowing her to summon a whip for precise and powerful strikes

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• In the role-playing game Elden Ring, the urumi appears as a "Whip"-class weapon whose attacks cannot be blocked.

• In the Moba game League of Legends the urumi is wielded by the champion Nilah.

• The real-time strategy game Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition features an urumi-wielding infantry unit named "Urumi Swordsman". In its successor Age of Empires III: Definitive Edition, the Urumi swordsman returns as a special infantry unit only available to the Dynasties of India.The Urumi Swordsman has an ability to charge its attack and deal Area of Effect damage with the charge attack in 0.75 tiles radius of 50% strength.

• Urumi is also used in the game Pathfinder

Kronocracy (talk) 18:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

@Kronocracy: - See MOS:POPCULT, which states that "Cultural references about the article's subject should not be included merely because they exist. Cultural aspects of the subject should be included only if they are supported by reliable secondary or tertiary sources that discuss the subject's cultural impact in some depth. The mere appearance of the subject in a film, song, video game, television show, or the like is insufficient". Reliable sources need to discuss the cultural impact of the appearance in depth. Fandom wikis are an unreliable WP:USERGENERATED source per WP:FANDOM, Game Rant isn't a great source per WP:VALNET, and Sportskeeda is an unreliable source per WP:VG/RS. Waxworker (talk) 19:26, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

References

Thurnston - consensus

Vote here regarding the better version of the page.

option 1 This version is more concise

option 2 This version, made repeatedly by the person with the video game facts, overstates the Krishnan source and copies a paragraph from Thurston, who inaccurately portrays Kalaripayattu as a sneak attack rather than formal combat

(@Waxworker) Drew Stanley (talk) 17:59, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

The Thurston source unequivocally falls under WP:RAJ. In my view, the quotation warrants outright expunction, as the editor's apparent objective is to interject an unwarranted caste reference into an article wholly unrelated to the subject.R.C^{Outlander07@talk} 05:22, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Option 1, the version without the large quote, seems better. Waxworker (talk) 13:34, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

The reason I added that in the use section is that people have a misconception that this weapon is useless and merely a showpiece. You can see this misconception in many Reddit and YouTube comments on the topic. Including a quote from an Englishman in the 1850s (not from an Indian perspective, but a third-party view) describing how it was used in real life-threatening situations to attack people when surrounded would help readers understand how this weapon was actually used.

Additionally, the quote describes the usage of this weapon exactly as intended, and it was never used for war.

Regarding WP:RAJ, this is about a weapon, whereas WP:RAJ primarily concerns castes. Furthermore, this information is published in a scholarly article.

If the caste name can be omitted while retaining the description of its usage, then go for it. I just want readers to understand how this weapon was used in real life, based on the account of a European from 300 years ago. Kronocracy (talk) 14:16, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Responding to: "inaccurately portrays Kalaripayattu as a sneak attack rather than formal combat."

Please watch this movie scene (for editors' understanding only, not as a reference for Wikipedia, as Wikipedia relies on reliable sources). This famous movie, Kerala Varma Pazhassi Raja (film), which won the National Film Award, is based on the life of Pazhassi Raja.

See here how the urumi is used:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4KouF114Cg Kronocracy (talk) 14:26, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

The summary version (option 1) fully addresses your concern about how the weapon was intended to be used. It doesn't require a quote "from an Englishman" - consider what it means to use a colonial source as the objective arbitrator and the "Indian perspective" as subjective and lesser. Drew Stanley (talk) 15:16, 14 March 2025 (UTC)