Talk:Unshatter

There's a question regarding whether the song is a single or a promotional single.

Hello friends!

So, recently I checked whether some songs are singles or not. Unshatter seems to follow the same release pattern as Good Goodbye and Invisible for the album One More Light: songs promoted before the album's release to boost its promotion. In this case, it would be to promote the deluxe edition of From Zero.

However, in the undid revision done by user @Rockmusicfanatic20:, it states that Unshatter is a single because "It has a radio release date in Italy, as suggested to check on EarOne, per the WP:SINGLESCRIT." However, something that doesn't seem to make sense is that there are also release dates on that same radio station for Good Goodbye, but for this latter song, it is treated as a promotional single in its corresponding article. In addition, straying slightly from the main topic: in the One More Light booklet, Good Goodbye and even Invisible are listed as singles. Furthermore, the very source cited for "radio release date in Italy" also has Let You Fade, so... would that also be a single?

The question is: the only song that, in my view and based on the objective criteria, is the most suitable to be a single from From Zero (Deluxe Edition) is Up From the Bottom. It's the only extra song from this edition that was consistently promoted through various means: Champions League final, music video, a permanent fixture in all the band's setlists during their tour, increased radio airplay, etc. But I wanted to reach a consensus on these situations. Lsn11 (talk) 23:46, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for creating this discussion. Honestly, it would be worth taking up a talk page discussion on status for "Good Goodbye" and "Invsible" on those respective song articles as well. From my understanding, just because there is a radio release doesn't necessarily mean that a song is actually a single, because I've heard plenty of songs on radio that haven't been released as singles. I feel like it needs to be promoted as such from the band , referred to as such by media, and have a radio release . Look at the digital platforms, we see from the deluxe edition for From Zero has "Up from the Bottom" and "Unshatter" released seperately as singles. Take a look at "Unshatter", while "Let You Fade" also has a radio release, the band haven't acknowledged that song as a single, which would likely make it a promotional single, despite Billboard calling it as such. The band themselves didn't make it avaliable individually as a single release on digital services. Referring to the WP:SINGLESCRIT is important, and out of the four listed, "Unshatter" matches at least three of the four. Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 21:10, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

@Rockmusicfanatic20: Hello! Regarding "Good Goodbye" and "Invisible," I intend to open a separate topic in the article about this in the One More Light album article, to establish a discussion focused on a single topic, instead of having to open two. I think that based on some parameters, both should be considered singles from that album, especially "Good Goodbye." There was a discussion that started like this when that album was released, but apparently a proper consensus was not reached.

That's right! The fact that a song is played on the radio or added to the album doesn't instantly make it a single from that album. Regarding the issue of the song being released separately on Spotify, that also doesn't necessarily make it a single, as stated in criterion 5 of "Factors that do not suggest a song is a single" in Wikipedia:SINGLESCRIT: "The song has 'single' next to its title on digital services (e.g., iTunes, Spotify, or Tidal), as 'single' is present next to all independent releases, official or not." The issue with having an independent version of this track on Spotify is that it was released before the deluxe edition of From Zero. Let You Fade was released practically at the same time as that edition, not justifying an independent release. The media mentioning it, again, doesn't make it a single either, as stated in criterion 1 of "Factors that do not suggest a song is a single": "The song was referred to as a single by a random media outlet".

EarOne is, in fact, a good source, but in my view, it's not justifiable enough when it cites a song that could be a single and another that couldn't. For example, look at this list. It mentions a radio release for Let You Fade, but doesn't mention tracks that are explicitly singles, such as Given Up, One More Light, and the most recent, Heavy Is the Crown. In my opinion, it would be a mix of songs released only promotionally and tracks released as singles themselves.

In my view, once again, I still only see Up From the Bottom as a single from the deluxe edition of From Zero. But I wish there was a general consensus, perhaps a third or fourth opinion. Lsn11 (talk) 15:37, 15 November 2025 (UTC)