Talk:Tyne Valley Line

Carlisle to Newcastle Main Line

Has anyone heard of this line being referred to as the Carlisle to Newcastle Main Line, or does everyone know it as the Tyne Valley Line? Dannyboy3 22:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Some people call it the Tyne Valley line, mainly those resident in Tynedale, but it's not strictly true as the last 20 miles beyond Haltwhistle are not in the Tyne Valley. The Carlisle to Newcastle is not one I've heard and the original title was the Newcastle and Carlisle Railway Lawsonrob (talk) 15:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

In Cumbria it is just called the Newcastle line but thats not helpful if you live in Northumbrland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.141.8.154 (talk) 14:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Article title

This article was moved from Tyne Valley Line in June 2009 without any previous discussion on this page or the original talk page. The move is problematic as although it takes the name of the railway company which originally built the line (and ceased to exist in 1862 as an independent entity), the line is now known as the Tyne Valley Line. Hence we have the Tyne Valley Rail Users Group, Tyne Valley Community Rail Partnership and Tyne Valley Train Trails. It's shown on the National Rail map and the Network Rail ECML Route Strategy as the Tyne Valley Line. I would therefore propose to move it back unless there are any objections. Lamberhurst (talk) 14:50, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

It is not called the Tyne Valley Line. It’s the Newcastle and Carlisle Railway and that’s what it ships be called. 86.25.204.48 (talk) 21:04, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

should* 86.25.204.48 (talk) 21:05, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome to start an RM if you really feel strongly - but see the discussion below. If you only have one source, or none, that's not going to cut it. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 07:33, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

The line is referred to as the "Hadrian's Wall Country Line" by train operator Northern Rail. I've added a reference to this in the introduction. I certainly wouldn't suggest any new change to the article name, unless the new name becomes generally accepted (which seems unlikely to me). A redirect wouldn't do any harm though. Tammbeck (talk) 07:49, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Move?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 22:09, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Newcastle and Carlisle Railway → Tyne Valley Line –

• Reversion of previously undiscussed move, my proposal from May to revert on talk page not contested; previous page title more accurately describes content as explained on talk page; unable to implement change without the assistance of an administrator Lamberhurst (talk) 12:39, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

• Support Certainly seems like more comprehensible name to people outside the region. PatGallacher (talk) 21:58, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
• Support - The Tyne Valley Line is obviously what the line will be referred to now, and the N&CR appears to refer to the original route anyway, before The North Wylam Loop was added to it. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 19:03, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
• Muted Opposition - The names are interchangeable. A reasonable comparator is the, albeit shorter, New North Main Line ie Acton-Northolt Line. As that article has in the same way lagged behind its change of name so is still listed under its old name I am surprised that this article too cannot be included under its old name.

Now it may well be that that article needs to be moved hence why this opposition is muted. However opposition it is as for someone used to valleys that rarely cover one coast to another, e.g. the Welsh Valleys, Cherwell Valley and other geographically named concepts, even Thames Valley or Trent Valley could convey to most people local in the worst possible sense, I feel that Carlisle - Newcastle Railway (with - internationally representing to in commendable 21st century transport-speak) is vastly superior in the all too real political and above all perceptive, ie informative side of the argument, which is that railways should be named after what they do. For example, Watercress Line has I see been preferred for a heritage line over the more mainstream modern railways descriptor which would be the Mid Hants Railway. The opposite region or region-to-region equal descriptors prevail for inter-regional UK railways.

Or anyway reverting to such a local valley name when combined with lower use than the North Downs Line (which chips away at this argument as like the Carlisle and the valley, Reading has nothing to do with the North Downs) is merely playing into the hands of whatever power that be relatively recently decided to cast aspersions on your northern line, with such a tribal and certainly one-sided, downgrading name.

Anyway as a newcomer to the project I expect my arguments will receive patchy support and it would be nice if you could continue this argument on the Talk Page of New North Main Line which at the moment to anyone unattuned to the foibles of a minority of English railways conveys an exciting form of national connection doubtless it would seem bigger and better than the M6 toll. Adam37 (talk) 07:18, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

As per WP:TITLE, the title of articles should reflect their official or most commonly used names. In this case, the line is referred to as "Tyne Valley Line" both by Network Rail and passenger groups. Using a name which is invented for the purpose of describing the route but which has no official or common usage is not supported by WP:TITLE and is problematic in cases where there are or were more than one line between the two places in the invented title. Lamberhurst (talk) 07:55, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Naming

If the RFC above resulted in it being moved to Tyne Valley Line with an uppercase L, how did we end up with it being moved to a lowercase l? Surely this should be moved back to Tyne Valley Line in line with the RFC? G-13114 (talk) 17:24, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

See Special:Diff/754348041... ironically moved by a user now blocked for capitalisation issues Cheerio, Mattdaviesfsic. Talk to me. 18:10, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

G-13114, Mattdaviesfsic There was a discussion (or several) somewhere about whether or not certain names were supposed to be case sensitive. The first line of this article has an uppercase L, but the article title does not, so I am going to harmonise that for now, but would support it moving back completely to Tyne Valley Line. The joy of all things (talk) 19:55, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

To be fair, the previous move by Dicklyon wasn't something consensus-based, so could easily be reverted under the auspices of it not being discussed prior - linking to the above RM. Other similar articles are capitalised "Line" - North Downs Line, as mentioned above. Although noting that others (e.g. Reading–Taunton line) are capitalised. Cheerio, Mattdaviesfsic. Talk to me. 20:03, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Yes there was no justification for moving it against the RM. So it should be moved back to its capitalised form G-13114 (talk) 20:06, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

 Done Cheerio, Mattdaviesfsic. Talk to me. 20:50, 14 April 2026 (UTC)