Talk:Tsardom of Russia

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2023

The personal standard of Peter the Great should be replaced by the flag of the Russian Tsardom. The false flag of the Russian Empire should be removed from the chronological reference: '6. What is the flag of Russian merchant ships. - Russian merchant ships should have a striped flag of three colors: white, blue, red. "- Naval charter of the Russian Empire, January 24, 1720. Eugene of Russia (talk) 14:19, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: No explanation on why the changes need to be made. Lightoil (talk) 02:48, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2023

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Requested move 9 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 17:50, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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Tsardom of Russia → Russian TsardomRussian Tsardom – "Russkoye Tsarstvo" is corroborated by every major source as the closest the government had to a single official name, "Russian Tsardom" would be the accurate translation here (i. e. the adjective-noun form rather than the noun-of-noun form, "Tsardom of Russia" would be "Tsarstvo Rossiye" instead) Orchastrattor (talk) 19:52, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Move to Tsardom of Muscovy, which is very widely used. Of course, just Muscovy is by far the most WP:COMMONNAME, but as we have split the subject we have to disambiguate from the Grand Duchy of Moscow. See also Talk: Grand Duchy of Moscow#Requested move 19 August 2023.  —Michael Z. 17:10, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

You included "Muscovy", which has a broader meaning than a state between the years 1547–1721, but conveniently left out "Russia". So, again, no demonstration that it is the common name. Mellk (talk) 18:19, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Muscovy was a state between the years 1282 and 1721 (I had thought it was 1286, but whichever). We have it split between two articles, apparently because its ruler declared himself tsar at one point. So we need to disambiguate. Russia is a much, much broader name, referring to subjects of many more articles. Muscovy better serves the WP:CRITERION of precision.  —Michael Z. 19:34, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Hence the article is currently called "Tsardom of Russia", which satisfies precision, because the title of tsar was used during those years before it became emperor. Mellk (talk) 19:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose, we don't translate names here, but you the most common one, there is no substantial difference between both names proposed in terms of popularity in academic texts, so there is no reason to make a move for the sake of it. Plus the current is consistent with the most popular format used in similar article names. Marcelus (talk) 17:51, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose per above. I don't see a good reason to move. The monarch was the tsar of Russia and typically the format is "tsardom of x" like "Kingdom of x", so it is more consistent. Mellk (talk) 18:25, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. The current title is fine. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:49, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Recent undiscussed pagemoves

I've seen a number of sudden undiscussed pagemoves from User:Synedai. I've asked them at their talk to cease such actions. Talk about it? BusterD (talk) 20:25, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

@BusterD these moves should be reverted ASAP, they are undiscussed controversial moves, that are also POV pushing Marcelus (talk) 20:48, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Non-state flags in the infobox

Russia did not have an official state flag until the black-yellow-white flag was introduced on June 11, 1858. The flags shown in the infobox are respectively the ensign of the frigate Oryol and the personal flag of the Tsar of Russia adopted under Peter the Great yet both of these are simply captioned as "flag" in the infobox with no further clarification. Additionally, the cross design of the ensign of the frigate Oryol is just one of three possible variants of what the ensign of the frigate Oryol might've looked like with no real evidence showing it was ever used as any sort of official flag aside from the frigate of Oryol. See "Флаги военного флота Российской империи (часть 1)". If these flags were never state flags and one of them wasn't ever used officially outside possibly being used as an ensign for a frigate then why have the flags displayed in the infobox at all? ElRedCoats (talk) 01:05, 11 June 2026 (UTC)