Talk:True Crime Community

Removal of list

@PARAKANYAA: you removed the list of attacks I added. I think they're appropriate as they're the list that the ISD articles gives. Laura240406 (talk) 11:23, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

The TCC has existed for nearly 20 years. There are literally hundreds of attacks and plots associated with people affiliated or allegedly affiliated with it. A list solely of attacks from one year is not useful, and copying a list directly from 1 source is not WP:DUE weight. Just because one source includes something does not mean it is due weight. Also, this is not a list article. If we were to start listing them comprehensively it would be massively longer than the rest of the article, or any article that could be written, and be very undue weight. Not useful. PARAKANYAA (talk) 15:42, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

While a dubiously source arbitrarily limited to 1 of 20 years of activity is obviously useless, a well sourced list/table of all attacks associated with the topic of the article is useful and basic information about the subject, just like it is for any other violent group, be it gangsters, political terrorists or other violent groups. Such a list/table could be sourced item by item or sourced to a common secondary source providing an initial list of attacks up to the time of source publication. For example a reliable list of attacks in the year 1924 could be a cited source for those attacks to be supplemented by other sources for attacks in other years, including sourcing recent attacks from reliable news reporting of that one attack. ~2026-46532-88 (talk) 09:19, 27 August 2026 (UTC)

We do not list such incidents on any comparable article, nor should we. This is also not one organized group, and so is not in any way comparable to say, gangsters. PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:29, 27 August 2026 (UTC)

"TCC activity significantly increased in 2024"

first time i see wikipedia talking about 2024 as a year for [X] group's membership increasing, how about we do the same in the wikipage of misandry? I have seen many misandrists and KAM activists in 2024 and nobody talked about it ~2026-25576-82 (talk) 19:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

You would need a source for that. Miiversal (talk) 07:46, 15 August 2026 (UTC)

Logo

I seriously doubt that this logo is meaningfully "a thing", and the idea that this has a logo is an WP:EXTRAORDINARY claim given that none of the many, many, many sources on the TCC have mentioned it previously. If it is "a thing" it is new and we should wait for it to be commented upon by a source that isn't WP:BREAKING news reactions to social media postings. Something is not "frequently used" if 1 source from year 20 of something existing mentions it in passing and none of the several hundred other sources prior do. There's also no evidence it is a "logo". PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:48, 23 August 2026 (UTC)

Totally inclined to agree with you here, thanks for removing this. GnocchiFan (talk) 10:26, 23 August 2026 (UTC)

@GnocchiFan Someone's added it again. Thoughts? PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:40, 23 August 2026 (UTC)

Hello, I didn't just say "common" in my edit summary, I said primary and common. It can be a common symbol but not "the" known primary symbol, and this is clarified in the article because they specify the crossed-out Earth flag is only one of multiple TCC symbols. The way this symbol was previously included in the article, a reader would get the idea it's a known primary and common symbol. I don't how the symbol being a recent development would be a problem since the article already documents the current state of the community. I agree the source could be better. Giygax (talk) 19:58, 23 August 2026 (UTC)

I do not think this is a common symbol, or doubt that it was used at all; and given that none of the many academic or watchdog sources on the topic mention this I doubt it more. From the way I am reading the article it seems like the perpetrator of the recent attack may have just made it up himself? Including it this way, prominently at the top of the article as the main image, makes it seem like it is the common and primary symbol. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:07, 23 August 2026 (UTC)

WP:ONUS states "The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on editors seeking to include disputed content." (emphasis mine). This consensus has clearly not been reached and as such this logo should be removed unless a consensus is reached for this to be included. Nothing I can see says that Expressen is a reliable source for logos relating to the TCC; this needs to be raised at WP:RS/N for wider community input. GnocchiFan (talk) 20:37, 23 August 2026 (UTC)

The suspect of the Fagersta school stabbing did not make this 'logo' up, this has been used for quite a long time. Too bad I don't have the sources to back this up so I am fine with not including it. Militant.Insurgency (talk) 21:19, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

Quite a long time in TCC spheres could be anywhere from 3 months to 20 years. I'd be quite surprised if it was used at all before this year since none of the sources on the spate of 2024-2025 killings mentioned it. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:24, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

Ever since the rampage dance trend became a thing, so ~2024. Militant.Insurgency (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

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Coverage issues

This article as is is entirely focused on post-2024 things, with 1 mention of a 2012 event. It is a coverage issue as coverage of the TCC did exist before then. Also the near exclusive coverage on school shooters/mass murderers is misleading; particularly older sources tend to focus more on the "serial killer" TCC side/murder fangirls.

I was going to make an article on this topic back in 2023, and the coverage was markedly different then, but I think it is worth incorporating older sources as otherwise it just devolves into a list of incidents. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:20, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

Definitely up for incorporating some older content, as well as broadening the scope as you suggest. GnocchiFan (talk) 22:15, 14 September 2026 (UTC)

Citation verification report

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#	Verdict	Source	Quote	Comments
[1]	Partially supported	source	—	The source confirms TCC is an online fandom and subculture focused on true crime and high‑profile killers (mass murderers). It does not explicitly mention serial killers, so the claim is only partially supported. (Source is long, only partially checked.)
[2]	? Source unavailable	source	—	HTTP 200: Source content was empty or too short to verify
[1]	Y Supported	source	—	The article explicitly states that members of the True Crime Community have carried out multiple violent attacks, confirming the claim that several members have committed their own crimes.
[1][3][4] (combined)	Y Supported	1 4	"TCC is one of the most prominent online subcultures of nihilistic violence"	The isdglobal.org source provides both the nihilistic violence link and the hybristophilia reference; the gnet-research.org source also discusses nihilistic violent extremism but does not mention hybristophilia.
[5]	Y Supported	source	"Indeed, the “Columbiner” fandom can be thought of as a precursor to the TCC. “Columbiners” emerged on early message boards in the months after the April 1999 attack and expanded with the growth of social media, effectively establishing a template for other shooter fandoms. It was later, with the growth of social media engagement among young people in the late 2010s, that the TCC emerged."	The source explicitly states that the Columbiner fandom emerged after Columbine, expanded with social media, and served as a precursor to the TCC, which emerged in the late 2010s.
[5]	Y Supported	source	"Graphic footage is more prevalent in this tier, including livestreams of attacks, bystander footage, and photographs of victims or deceased perpetrators. There is significant overlap in the TCC with dedicated gore communities, and gore content is frequently shared among its members."	The source explicitly states that gore content is frequently shared within the TCC, indicating a connection to online gore communities.
[6]	Y Supported	source	"Подростки, которые устроили поножовщину в пермской школе, были подписаны на паблики о школьных бойнях — это часть большого комьюнити под названием тру-крайм."	The article states that the perpetrators were subscribed to fan communities about school shootings, directly supporting the claim.
[7]	Y Supported	source	"Adam Lanza, the man who murdered 20 children and six staffers at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, was a TCC member, The Daily Beast previously reported . He posted pictures of mass shooting victims and video of school shooters on his Tumblr blogs “gayfortimk” and “queerforkimveer,” named for school shooters Tim Kretschmer and Kimveer Gill."	The source explicitly states that Adam Lanza was a member of the True Crime Community (TCC) and describes his Tumblr activity.
[8][9] (combined)	Y Supported	8 9	"en diversos medios se señala la posibilidad de que el ataque haya estado relacionado con la llamada True Crime Community (TCC, o Comunidad de Crímenes Reales)."	El Universal source explicitly states that various media, including the newspaper, speculate about ties to the TCC; Milenio source describes the shooter wearing a TCC‑linked shirt, implying speculation about his affiliation.
[10]	Y Supported	source	"Both shooters engaged with the True Crime Community (TCC), a broad online fandom rooted in an obsessive interest in mass killers."	The article states that the perpetrators had online engagement with the TCC, confirming the claim.
[11]	Partially supported	source	"Specifically, some members of the TCC online ecosystem are using Viggle AI to create videos featuring serial killers and school shooters dancing in front of the locations of their attacks. These videos also display the number of victims associated with each attack."	The source confirms that TCC members create AI‑generated videos of killers dancing in front of attack sites with victim numbers, but it does not mention Brenton Tarrant, Islamophobic content, or the Rampage dance in the TCC context. (Source is long, only partially checked.)
[12]	Y Supported	source	"One of their most infamous maps is “Carbine,” which recreates the 1999 Columbine shooting, allowing players to take on the role of perpetrators Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold."	The source explicitly states that Carbine recreates the Columbine shooting and lets players assume the roles of Harris and Klebold.
[5]	Y Supported	source	"For the TCC, games popular with young audiences, such as Minecraft and Roblox, are used to recreate significant locations or events related to mass acts of violence."	The source explicitly states that members of the TCC use Minecraft and Roblox to recreate locations or events associated with real‑world violence.
[13]	Y Supported	source	—	The source explicitly states that recreations of real‑world mass casualty attacks on Roblox are a recognised phenomenon within the TCC, directly supporting the claim.
[14]	Partially supported	source	"A.S.S. is part of the larger True Crime Community (TCC) online subculture"	The source confirms that a TCC-affiliated group (A.S.S.) develops and circulates maps simulating Columbine, Uvalde, and Parkland, but it does not mention the group styling itself as a "game studio."
[5]	Y Supported	source	"The production and circulation of fan art, fan fiction, and aesthetic edits centered on perpetrators; the emulation of their clothing or personal style; attempts to contact them in prison; and the dissemination of their manifestos, diaries, or personal writings."	The source explicitly states that fan art and fan fiction are part of TCC content, that Tumblr was removing related material and blocking keywords from January 2026, and that community members adopted emojis, altered spellings, and coded language to evade moderation.
[2]	? Source unavailable	source	—	HTTP 200: Source content was empty or too short to verify
[2]	? Source unavailable	source	—	HTTP 200: Source content was empty or too short to verify
[15]	Y Supported	source	"TCC’s complete disregard of politics typifies a subculture of nihilistic violence. … likely intended to garner notoriety with their fellow TCC fans, … These four attacks resulted in eight deaths (not including the perpetrators) — double the fatalities caused by extremist violence in the United States in 2024."	The source explicitly describes TCC as a nihilistic subculture lacking political ideology, notes motivations tied to identity, mental health, and notoriety, and reports four linked school shootings with eight deaths, matching the claim.
[16]	? Source unavailable	source	—	HTTP 200: Source content was empty or too short to verify

Summary: 13 supported, 3 partially supported, 0 not supported, 4 source unavailable out of 20 claims (27 citations). Generated by Source Verifier using a HuggingFace-hosted open-source LLM (openai/gpt-oss-20b) on 16:31, 19 September 2026 (UTC). Tokens used: 140,771 input, 22,592 output. Militant.Insurgency (talk) 04:27, 20 September 2026 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2026

in the 'censorship' section, i wouldve replaced the redirect of 'fictional stories' from narrative to real person fiction, since calling it as such would be more accurate and specific. Namecel (talk) 13:46, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

 Done Laura240406 (talk) 13:55, 28 September 2026 (UTC)