Talk:Tollense

Recommend new page for the battle

The Battle of Tollense Bridge, or whatever name they want to put to it, should be its own page. Maybe there's a good long German word for it ("der Tollensekrieg"?). Either way it seems to be a topic of interest, and only tangentially related to the river's geological history. --Zimriel (talk) 22:19, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

agreeExplainador (talk) 01:53, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Done. Input appreciated. --Ubel (talk) 18:04, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Agree Tytire (talk) 23:37, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Dating of the battle

The article has a decent section about the Bronze age Tollense battle (which really deserves its own page) but something is signally missing: any information about the rough date limits of the battle. "Bronze age" is much too broad: more than a thousand years. The masses of human and horse bones make it quite possible to date the battle, and some German and English pages I've read in the past indicated the 13th/14th century BC. I just checked the German wiki article for the battle and it says 13th century based on C-14 dating, but this is sourced to a university page that's been reshuffled a bit since the German wiki editors looked at it, and which no longer has any specific information about the excavations. So we need to find a few sources that actually do say something about the date, and preferably both in German and in English. Strausszek (talk) 02:56, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

The Jantzen article in Antiquity 85, 2011, says that 9 of the 10 radiocarbon dates up to that point place the event at 1230 BC, the Flohr article in International Journal of Paleopathology 9, 2015, says c. 1200 BC in Period III of the Nordic Bronze Age, and the Lidke article in the book 'Krieg - Eine archäologische Spurensuche' says 1300-1250 BC. European Prehistorian (talk) 23:46, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

I believe the earlier date are from one human and the wooden club, with specific caveat that the club maybe an "old wood" effect. The rest, all the human remains so far appear to be in the range of 1230+/-40 cal bc ie 1270 to 1190 bce. Keep in mind the range is for dating of all of the material, the +/- range does not imply the bones themselves are in range, they clearly look to be the same exact eventExplainador (talk) 01:52, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Removal of Ahistorical section

Removed a spurious section full of fantastical speculation and non-factual conjecture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerold.v.k (talk • contribs) 07:53, 11 April 2017 (UTC)