Talk:Tim DeChristopher

Numerous posts contesting a speedy deletion request that was declined

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted because Tim DeChristopher is an internationally recognized environmental activist with numerous media references and coverage as a public figure and contemporary example of civil disobedience. DeChristopher has been interviewed by the New York Times, National Public Radio, Wall Street Journal, CNN, and other international news agencies. His environmental activism garnered the attention of the United States of America Bureau of Land Management, federal agents, and prosecutors. DeChristopher was sentenced to two years in prison on July 26, 2011 -- news that resulted in widespread protest and commentary from famous supporters including Robert Redford and Terry Tempest Williams. Regardless of individual opinion on the controversy surrounding DeChristopher, his notability is underscored by a popular uprising and awareness in the wake of his actions, the response from the US government, and the ongoing "debate" on this website as to whether or not DeChristopher warrants a personal Wikipedia page. If he and his actions were as unnotable as some Wikipedia bureacrats are suggesting, his page would be allowed to exist peaceably. But because DeChristopher himself (apart from his actions) is now a symbol of American civil disobedience and the global environmental movement, a Tim DeChristopher Wikipedia page has become a matter of political controversy and is, nevertheless, duly justified as a matter of public information.

UPDATE: http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Tim_DeChristopher — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanessa kirkpatrick (talk • contribs) 21:29, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

(Vanessa kirkpatrick (talk) 23:16, 28 July 2011 (UTC))

Speedy deletion nomination of Tim DeChristopher

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A tag has been placed on Tim DeChristopher requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject of the article is important or significant: that is, why an article about it should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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See the guidelines for specific types of articles: biographies, websites, bands, or companies. Vanessa kirkpatrick (talk) 23:16, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

This article should not be speedy deleted because

This page should not be speedy deleted because... --174.252.17.40 (talk) 23:33, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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This page should not be speedy deleted because... --Utahbirdman (talk) 23:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC) The page is accurate in details of Tim DeChristopher's life. This may well be a pivotal point in drilling on public lands and non-violent methods being used by environmentalist to protect the earth and bring climate change to the forefront of the news.

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This page should not be speedy deleted because... -- it has been useful in my research, and the topic is so notable as to have been covered by rolling stone mag twice. I would strongly ad vise keeping and editing for neutrality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.81.69.135 (talk) 00:15, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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This page should not be speedy deleted because... Tim Dechristopher is an undeniably important individual and has been receiving widespread media coverage. --24.59.191.214 (talk) 00:36, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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This page should not be speedy deleted because it is accurate and covers an important case and activist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.107.239.233 (talk) 00:43, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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This page should not be speedy deleted because... --76.11.115.128 (talk) 00:53, 29 July 2011 (UTC) This is a fairly prominent news story. I typed "tim d" into the googlenews search engine, and the second autofill suggestion was the subject's name, "tim dechristopher". I've heard this story discussed on podcast programs like "Democracy Now", and a fair amount of words seem to have been written on it in Internet news media. Why this article has been marked for speedy deletion, I don't know, but given the powerful interests that DeChristopher threatens, I have my suspicions.

This article should not be speedy deleted because...

Tim DeChristopher is an internationally recognized activist and at this point a martyr for the cause of protection of public lands against corrupt government and entrenched oil and gas interests. There is no reason to delete this article, much less fast-track it out of view with a "speedy deletion". Please remove the speedy deletion tag immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.240.43 (talk) 01:18, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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This page should not be speedy deleted because... --One for Peace (talk) 02:01, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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This page should not be speedy deleted because...UNWARRANTED CENSORSHIP IS THE VERY ANTITHESIS OF WIKIPEDIA. Accurate, intelligent, concise descriptions of noteworthy people/places/things are what make Wikipedia what it is. The world deserves to know what Tim DeChristopher did- regardless of how they interpret his actions. Wikipedia's motion to delete this page just strengthens my belief that the Tim DeChristopher page MUST be posted. If not, Wikipedia can no longer truthfully refer to itself as "The Free Encyclopedia" but rather "The Censored, Biased and Stifled Encyclopedia of 'Approved' Content". Is that what the "free thinking" world is coming to? If Wikipedia gladly condones pages that educate me on the thrilling history of titillating topics like "brooms" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broom ), "toothpicks" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothpicks ), and "Post-it notes" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-it_note ) surely they can allow a page that tells the story of someone who sacrificed his physical freedom to protect the natural environment.

-Minxy0317 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minxy0317 (talk • contribs) 02:08, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

This article should not be speedy deleted because...

This page should not be speedy deleted because... He keeps making the news here in Utah, on federal land issues. The controversy of his prosecution and the severity of his sentencing has made him a very notable and discussed public figure. --Gilgamesh (talk) 18:09, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

This article should not be speedy deleted because...

This page should not be speedy deleted because Tim DeChristopher's case is being followed on a national level. 71.251.9.218 (talk) 11:54, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

quote resource Capitalism vs. the Climate by Naomi Klein in The Nation

Some in the climate camp are pushing back hard against the appeasement strategy. Tim DeChristopher, serving a two-year jail sentence in Utah for disrupting a compromised auction of oil and gas leases, commented in May on the right-wing claim that climate action will upend the economy. “I believe we should embrace the charges,” he told an interviewer. “No, we are not trying to disrupt the economy, but yes, we do want to turn it upside down. We should not try and hide our vision about what we want to change—of the healthy, just world that we wish to create. We are not looking for small shifts: we want a radical overhaul of our economy and society.” He added, “I think once we start talking about it, we will find more allies than we expect.”

For "the economy", see What's the Economy For, Anyway?: Why It's Time to Stop Chasing Growth and Start Pursuing Happiness by authors David K. Batker and John de Graaf Bloomsbury Press (November 8, 2011) ISBN-13: 978-1608195107 , for example.

141.218.36.43 (talk) 22:48, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

See The Spirit Level: Why More Equal Societies Almost Always Do Better also. 99.181.142.144 (talk) 06:40, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

For happiness a reference maybe The Politics of Happiness: What Government can Learn from the New Research on Well-Being (2010) by Derek Bok. 99.56.123.174 (talk) 08:40, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

There is also Derek's spouce Sissela Bok's Exploring Happiness: From Aristotle to Brain Science (Yale University Press, 2010). 99.181.134.134 (talk) 03:52, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

See Appeasement. 99.190.86.244 (talk) 09:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

When DeChristopher articulated this vision for a climate movement fused with one demanding deep economic transformation, it surely sounded to most like a pipe dream. But just five months later, with Occupy Wall Street chapters seizing squares and parks in hundreds of cities, it sounds prophetic. It turns out that a great many Americans had been hungering for this kind of transformation on many fronts, from the practical to the spiritual.

See Deep Economy for example? 99.190.86.244 (talk) 09:40, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

An example wikilink for climate movement is Individual and political action on climate change. 97.87.29.188 (talk) 00:12, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

For individuals, see Individual action on climate change. 141.218.36.41 (talk) 22:12, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

References

In the "hole"

The press release from "Peaceful Uprising" is heavily biased, as are most accounts that I found carrying the AP report, but I found a site purporting to host the original AP report in full, which gives a more balanced account. --Pawyilee (talk) 09:50, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Sept 2014 Wall Street Protest

There have been numerous back-and-forth reverts over an item (with citation) inserted into the lede regarding DeChristopher's participation in a protest. I have edited the article as follows:

• From reading the source, it seemed to me that the significance would be: a) DeChristopher's quote (his stance toward the obstacle to addressing global warming) and b) evidence of his continuing involvement in the issue.
• Therefore I expanded the sentence to include DeChristopher's quote and fleshed out the reference.
• DeChristopher's participation in this demonstration is not what DeChristopher is known for. It isn't lede-worthy, it has no business there. But it is unambiguously an example of his current thinking and activism, which isn't otherwise well-attested in the article. So inserted it into the section on his current activism.

Revert warriors: it is far beyond the 3-revert level. If you don't like this version of the edit, please take the opportunity to discuss it on the talk page. M.boli (talk) 23:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

@M.boli: There are no revert-warriors here. There is an editor who has been blocked and is using multiple IPs to avoid the block (although I cannot be sure he has the knowledge that he is blocked; it's difficult to tell with someone who has never edited under an editor name), and those reverting him. If you want to take credit for the new edit, I have no objection. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:16, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Righto! I had noticed that the previous ten or so edits were all inserting and removing the same sentence, but had not probed deeper. This sounds like a frustrating situation to deal with. M.boli (talk) 14:39, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

What actually happened?

I understand that all people editing this considers it common knowledge, but it is not. I came here because I found Tim DeChristopher being mentioned and though I will find something about the cause, either directly in the article or linked from it. I did not.

I mean, sure, the article talks in great detail about how he was sentenced and imprisoned for not paying for land he win the auction for, but what was the auction about? Who else was in that auction? What is the connection to oil and gas? Was the purpose of auction to buy land for oil drilling? What are those reviews mentioned in "insufficient environmental and scientific review" supposed to review? Amount of oil versus amount of trees? Is the information missing because noone is able to write it from NPOV? -- Hkmaly (talk) 12:20, 25 June 2016 (UTC)