Talk:Thind

Thinds belong to Jatt caste.

Names

This article is being converted into a "surname list". Please beware of BLP violations etc when dealing with names that are sometimes associated by the narrow-minded with a single caste or religion. For example, is Helen Reddy likely to be a Reddy? We do not associate castes with living people unless they have self-identified, and the same applies to religious beliefs. There are some notes regarding this at User:Sitush/Common#Castelists. - Sitush (talk) 22:07, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

• Pages of this sort are common on Wikipedia - see Davidson (name), for example. When detailing such names, it is expected that there will be details of their regional and cultural origins. Sitush now seems to be edit-warring to prevent improvement of this sort. This seems especially improper when he is still maintaining his attempt to delete the page. Andrew D. (talk) 22:31, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

• Details, yes, but not inferences of absolute statement. I'm not edit warring but rather applying WP:BLP. I suggest that you read it, learn about the social structures of India and then return. Since you have personalised this I will add that I have agreed that this can be turned into a "surname"/"last name" list in the very discussion that you link. Pretty typical ARS attacking, then: clueless in your obsession with retention, most of you. - Sitush (talk) 01:04, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Dhanju Surname

(Chatha28) The Surname Dhanju is of Kamboj Community and is also an Kamboj Last Name people have many different Surnames in Kamboj Caste. Chatha28 (talk) 17:49, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

thind clan origin

most of thind are kamboj only a few belong to jatt and saini.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:8D80:4A1:518C:C509:26D3:6122:301 (talk) 05:10, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

So let me inform u sir that THIND is one of largest kamboj clan . In jatt and sainis they found only in a few villages in Ludhiana, Nawanshahr and Hoshiarpur Districts. Similarly, Saini clan of "Thind", may have some association with Raja Tahan Pal who was also known as "Thind Pal" colloquially. Saini Thind's are mostly Hindu and Sikh. But in Amritsar ,patiala,jalandhar,ferozpur (100's of villages)all thind are kamboj . Among jats they are found in Sikhs only but among kamboj they are Hindu and Muslim as well. More over Thinds are also present in arain community (considered to be Muslims converted Kamboj ). I hope its enough to explain kamboj origin of all thinds. Jatt is a occupational caste and that's how all occupational castes were formed ie by joining same occupation by peoples of different tribes. A lot of other clan names overlap among jatt and other tribes so please before posting missleading information have some knowledge of history . (Good luck) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:205:430E:E4B3:0:0:A0A:8B0 (talk) 15:04, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Please see WP:V and WP:RS. We cannot accept your own personal knowledge. - Sitush (talk) 09:21, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Removal of Sources

Pinging @Sitush, I read your message and the guidelines. So it seems that Kumar Suresh Singh and his work in the Archaeological Survey of India is problematic and against Wikipedia standards. But can you explain why you're removing other sources? i.e. the work by Denzil Ibbetson, Horace Arthur Rose and Karen Pearce? Those sources should stay up imo and they still uphold everything in the previous edit without the Archaeological Survey source. DaManBarbuz (talk) 14:30, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@DaManBarbuz Hi, it should say at User:Sitush/CasteSources. If it doesn't, I'll have to dig out the correct list of links etc in my userspace. Put simply, consensus for the last decade or more has been that British Raj era sources are unreliable for anything related to caste. - Sitush (talk) 14:59, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

I've just checked and the user page linked above does explain & provide links to some past community discussions. - Sitush (talk) 15:01, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

That's fine. Two of the sources are not British era sources. Christopher Shackle's source is from 1984 and Karen Pearce's source is from 2002. They should stay up. DaManBarbuz (talk) DaManBarbuz (talk) 15:55, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@DaManBarbuz I don't think they supported the statements (and impossible to correctly indent my replies here!). I'm using the app & it is a pain to check back through edits - I might be wrong but it's pretty unlikely. - Sitush (talk) 17:14, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

The Pearce source was literally a name in a two-column table. It said nothing about location etc & was worthless. - Sitush (talk) 17:16, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Fake ref

Please at least check the cover page before citing a book solely based on Google Books' preview. Anyway, this is a reprint of a 19th-century source that was authored by a British Raj army officer (A. H. Bingley). These nonscholarly and non-HISTAR Raj-era sources are considered unreliable on this project for the details about caste, religion, and history – see WP:RAJ for the relevant details and discussion links. So I will replace it with a modern academic source. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 December 2024

Please add the padlock to the page, as it is protected. Heyaaaaalol (talk) 00:41, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done - Ratnahastin (talk) 00:45, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Thind wikipedia page correction

• What I think should be changed (Thind is a family name found among Hindu, Muslim, and Sikh communities. It is primarily associated with the Kamboj[[[[ community and is also present among some Jat and Khatri groups in India and Pakistan.[1]

Origin

According to some scholars and community historians, Thind is identified as a Kamboj clan name listed among the traditional 52 gotras of the Kamboj community.[2][3] The surname is mainly found in the northern Indian states of Punjab, Haryana, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, and Uttarakhand, as well as in parts of Punjab, Pakistan.[4]

Writer, H. S. Thind records a traditional account that the clan migrated from Delhi around 1290 CE during the reign of Sultan Muiz ud din Qaiqabad.[5] Some individuals with the surname also identify with the Jat community, with certain sources proposing historical assimilation between Kamboj and Jat groups.[6][7]

Surname

Notable people with the surname Thind, who may or may not have a connection to the clan, include:

• Balwant Singh Thind, finance minister of Punjab • Bhagat Singh Thind, writer and immigrant to the USA • Gurminder Thind, player of American football • Hassan Nawaz Thind, Pakistani cricketer • Hira Thind, Punjabi singer • Kartar Singh Thind, botanist • Sadhu Singh Thind, politician

• Why it should be changed:

The original information on thind page mentions thind as the surname of jatt and khatari people. It is partially correct, There are thind jatts, but thind is the largest surname of kamboj people. Infact most Thind in India are kamboj and a very few belongs to Jatt tribe. Please see the references below.

• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

References

1. Hanks, Patrick; Coates, Richard; McClure, Peter, eds. (2016). The Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland (1st ed.). Oxford University Press. p. 2651. ISBN 978-0-19-967776-4. Thind ... Indian (Panjab): Hindu, Sikh, and Muslim, borne chiefly by Khatris and Jats. 2. Rose, Horace Arthur. A Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North-West Frontier Province. Based on the census report for the Punjab, 1883, by Denzil Ibbetson, and the census report for the Punjab, 1892, by Edward Maclagan, compiled by H.A. Rose, Superintendent of Government Printing, 1911–1919. Pg 445 3. Parkash Singh Jammu (2013). Kambojas: Antiquity and Dispersal. Patiala, Punjab, India. Chapter: "Clans", pp. 383–386. 4. Ibbetson, Denzil (1916). Panjab Castes. Lahore: Superintendent, Government Printing, Punjab. p. 202. Archived from the original on 2024-06-23. 5. Kamboj Itihaas — H. S. Thind (1972), Publisher: Pb: S Bishan Singh Moti VPO Surewal, Tehsil Tibi, Dist Ganga Nagar, Rajasthan. 6. Jammu, P. S. (2013). Kambojas: Antiquity and Dispersal (1st ed., 560 pp.). Mohali/Chandigarh, India: Unistar Books Pvt. Ltd. ISBN: 978-9351131113 7. Deepak Kamboj,"Thind is prominent subcaste of Kamboj community". kambojsociety.com. July 24, 2025. Retrieved December 5, 2025.

~2025-40808-30 (talk) 19:18, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

References

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please detail the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --pro-anti-air ––>(talk)<–– 21:18, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

Change:

“Thind is a Punjabi surname primarily associated with the Jat Sikh community.”

To:

“Thind is a family name found among Hindu, Muslim, and Sikh communities. It is primarily associated with the Kamboj community and is also present among some Jat and Khatri groups in India and Pakistan.[1]

Origin

According to some scholars and community historians, Thind is identified as a Kamboj clan (gotra) listed among the traditional 52 gotras of the Kamboj community.[2][3] The surname is mainly found in the northern Indian states of Punjab, Haryana, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, and Uttarakhand, as well as in parts of Punjab, Pakistan.[4]

Writer H. S. Thind records a traditional account stating that the clan migrated from Delhi around 1290 CE, during the reign of Sultan Muiz ud din Qaiqabad.[5] Some individuals with the surname also identify with the Jat community, with certain sources proposing historical assimilation between Kamboj and Jat groups.[6][7]”

References

1. Hanks, Patrick; Coates, Richard; McClure, Peter, eds. (2016). The Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland (1st ed.). Oxford University Press. p. 2651. ISBN 978-0-19-967776-4. Thind ... Indian (Panjab): Hindu, Sikh, and Muslim, borne chiefly by Khatris and Jats.

2.Rose, Horace Arthur. A Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North-West Frontier Province. Based on the census reports for the Punjab (1883) by Denzil Ibbetson and (1892) by Edward Maclagan. Lahore: Superintendent of Government Printing, 1911–1919, p. 445.

3.Singh Jammu, Parkash (2013). Kambojas: Antiquity and Dispersal. Patiala, Punjab, India. Chapter: “Clans”, pp. 383–386.

4.Ibbetson, Denzil (1916). Panjab Castes. Lahore: Superintendent, Government Printing, Punjab, p. 202. (Archived from the original on 23 June 2024).

5.Singh Jammu, Parkash (2013). Kambojas: Antiquity and Dispersal (1st ed., 560 pp.). Mohali/Chandigarh, India: Unistar Books Pvt. Ltd. ISBN 978-9351131113.

6.Thind, H. S. (1972). Kamboj Itihaas. Surewal (Tehsil Tibi, District Ganganagar), Rajasthan: Bishan Singh Moti.

7.Singh Jammu, Parkash (2013). Kambojas: Antiquity and Dispersal. Sections discussing Kamboj–Jat historical interactions.

Kamboj, Deepak (2025). “Thind is a prominent subcaste of the Kamboj community.” kambojsociety.com, 24 July 2025. Retrieved 5 December 2025. Kambojthind2003 (talk) 14:35, 16 December 2025 (UTC)

Let me know if any questions

Thanks Kambojthind2003 (talk) 17:37, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 December 2025

Change this text:

“Thind is a Punjabi surname primarily associated with the Jat Sikh community.”

To this text

Thind is a family name found among Hindu, Muslim, and Sikh communities. It is primarily associated with the Kamboj community and is also present among some Jat and Khatri groups in India and Pakistan.

 Done: I Wikilinked Jat and Khatri as they were linked in the original text. Newbzy (talk) 01:42, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

thank you very much. can the word kamboj in the article be hyperlinked

thanks again and happy new year Kambojthind2003 (talk) 03:44, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

 Done: Good thinking. Happy new year to you too Newbzy (talk) 05:09, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

Origin

According to some scholars and community historians, Thind is identified as a Kamboj clan (gotra) listed among the traditional 52 gotras of the Kamboj community.

The surname is mainly found in the northern Indian states of Punjab, Haryana, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, and Uttarakhand, as well as in parts of Punjab, Pakistan.

Writer H. S. Thind records a traditional account stating that the clan migrated from Delhi around 1290 CE, during the reign of Sultan Muiz ud din Qaiqabad.

Some individuals with the surname also identify with the Jat community, with certain sources proposing historical assimilation and interaction between Kamboj and Jat groups.

References

Kambojthind2003 (talk) 03:14, 26 December 2025 (UTC)