Talk:The Bengal Files

FILMLEAD concerns

WP:FILMLEAD is pretty clear on what the lead of a film article should look like, and WP:LABEL is pretty clear that intext attribution is pretty much always required contentious value-laden terms ("propaganda film" here). A pretty extraordinary consensus would be required to overturn this global norm for a specific article. We clearly don't have that here. As such, the contentious label needs to be removed from the lead. regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 15:43, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

WP:FILMLEAD say "Genre classifications should comply with WP:WEIGHT and reflect what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources". Given that enough sources call it a propaganda film, there is no reason to change it. THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 16:00, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

"enough sources call it a propaganda film" such as? Preferably with quotes where the exact words 'propaganda film' appear as descriptor for the film. UnpetitproleX (talk) 16:21, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

@ZDRX: are you going to present these sources that purportedly make a genre classification claim? TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 17:14, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

• @UnpetitproleX: You should self-revert yourself. You have provided a highly misleading edit summary. There are multiple sources on lead supporting the term "propaganda" and many more were provided on the archives which you have already checked. Also pinging Black Kite and Firefangledfeathers. THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 12:56, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

  I wasn't aware of that discussion and found it only now, I was already self-reverting before you made this comment. In any case, I will look at the sources that you have presented:

  • The Hindu article that you link does not make a genre classification as "propaganda film." In fact, the word "propaganda" does not appear anywhere in the body. (per WP:HEADLINE: "News headlines—including subheadlines—are not a reliable source. If the information is supported by the body of the source, then cite it from the body." [underline mine].) As such, it fails verification and is source falsification. It should either be tagged with {{failed verification}} or removed. UnpetitproleX (talk) 13:13, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

  You can simply include one of those other sources that were provided here, including sources such as this one which wasnt mentioned there. THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 13:33, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

  • The Scroll article does not have "propaganda" anywhere in it.
  • The Indian Express article mentions "propaganda film" once, not in reference to this film.
  • This source, which is an interview of a film journalist, does not make genre classification for the film as a "propaganda film." It only says that the film has "raised concerns about propaganda, accuracy, and representation."
  • One of the two Bengali sources is no longer present at the url.

  I will look at the remaining sources in a moment. UnpetitproleX (talk) 13:45, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

  Once I have looked at the rest of the sources, I will begin an RfC (or perhaps someone who is better acquainted with RfCs, such as TryKid above, who iirc was part of TKF RfC, could). Even if some sources do explicitly call the film a "propaganda film", the accurate summary of that would be "some critics called it a propaganda film" or some such wording. The current labelling in wikivoice in the lead sentence is untenable unless we have consensus among sources, which is not the case. UnpetitproleX (talk) 13:54, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

  Not all of those sources were focusing on the word "propaganda" but some were also focusing on the fact the movie is spreading misinformation. Thats why you dont find the term "propaganda" in all of them. The URL you are looking for is accessible here.

  No reliable sources are going to dispute if this movie is not a propaganda movie, thats why any change in wording would be unnecessary. THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 14:49, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

  I'm sorry but that's not how any of this works. Per WP:FILMLEAD, "genre classifications should comply with WP:WEIGHT and reflect what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources." If we cannot find a genre classification (especially one with a contentious WP:LABEL of a "propaganda film") in "a majority of mainstream reliable sources" then we cannot say so in wikivoice. If some sources say so, then we use those sources with attribution to specify that critique, not make a wikivoiced genre classification. UnpetitproleX (talk) 19:51, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

  As for the remaining sources,

  • This article does call the film a work of propaganda repeatedly, but it is a relatively little known website and I doubt it can be called a 'mainstream reliable source' though I would not be opposed to inclusion with full attribution (writer + website) in body only.
  • The Deccan Herald article is borderline, more a classification of Agnihotri as a propaganda director than of the film as a propaganda film; it says: "Agnihotri is no innovator of propaganda cinema. ... However, the craft required to make an impactful propaganda film is not in the skill set of the director."
  • The India today article does call the film a work of propaganda explicitly, and is a mainstream RS. This, thus far, is the only mainstream RS that can be used for a genre classification. One does not make majority, of course.

  I cannot read Bengali so I won't be able to verify the Bengali sources. If you can provide a quote with translation, then we can consider them. If you have any other sources, please present them now so we can discuss them as well. Courtesy ping also @TryKid: who asked you for the sources over a month and a half ago. I will compile the source analyses in a single section/subsection if you don't have any further sources to add. UnpetitproleX (talk) 20:17, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

  Enewsroom is WP:RS and it does not have to be mainstream because Indian mainstream media has significantly lost its credibility.

• Deccan Herald is saying that Vivek Agnihotri is trying, but failing to make a good propaganda movie as his making of The Bengali Files prove. If you carefully read the source, it literally is talking about the screenplay of the film right after that quote. It is talking about the film here.

• Regardless of how you treat the existing sources, you are yet to show any WP:RS that dispute this movie is a propaganda movie. THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 12:15, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

  It does have to be mainstream (though not necessarily media, it can be an academic source), because WP:FILMLEAD is wikipedia guideline. As is WP:LABEL. The wikipedia article of the political pejorative you link above is not. If you believe we need to change those guidelines to include an exception for India, then the correct avenue to argue that is the talk pages of those guideline articles, not here. Per WP:FILMLEAD a genre classifications should "reflect what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources" and per WP:LABEL a contentious label should be "widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject." The WP:BURDEN of proof lies on those arguing inclusion of disputed content, please do not ask me to prove a negative. UnpetitproleX (talk) 14:00, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

  Mainstream sources of a number countries fails WP:RS. That guideline is not endorsing Indian mainstream sources over actual WP:RS, just like it is not endorsing Russian or North Korean sources. Thats why you cannot use it to support your argument. THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 14:25, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

  Says who? Can you point to any wikipedia guideline or policy that states that Indian mainstream media in general cannot be treated as RS? All we have to follow is Indian cinema task force's guidelines on sources in conjunction with WP:FILMLEAD and WP:LABEL. Please don't make things up as you go. UnpetitproleX (talk) 00:11, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

  Read WP:RS. It says "Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." Godi media is not independent but has a horrible reputation and is known for promoting bigotry, Islamophobia and communally motivated fake news. You need to give up your WP:WIKILAWYERING. Orientls (talk) 09:34, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

  WP:ICTFSOURCES is based on WP:RS. Do not falsely accuse me of misbehaviour. Which source exactly are you calling unreliable? Vague political pejoratives will not do, list the sources with reference to WP:RSP if you can. UnpetitproleX (talk) 10:08, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

  Just to refresh everyone:

  1. The consensus required restriction requires affirmative consensus before re-doing challenged changes. The removal of "propaganda" is one such change.
  2. The restriction does not mean that "propaganda" has consensus. Please continue to discuss, and consider dispute resolution if local consensus does not form after thorough discussion.

  Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:19, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

  @Firefangledfeathers: The wording is stable for ages, and your earlier message confirms that anyone removing the term "propaganda" from the lead would require consensus. UnpetitproleX removed it without gaining any consensus. Can you take necessary action? THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 13:27, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

  It looks like they immediately self-reverted. No need for further action. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:30, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

• It has been weeks, and @ZDRX alone has stonewalled the changes, without any explanation other than an appeal to status quo, with no prospect of any thorough discussion in sight because no explanation has been offered and no other participants have come forth. PS: Sorry for disappearing from the discussion for days due to avoidance, I think have PTSD from the Kashmir Files discussion. And still nothing from ZDRX to show for it. @UnpetitproleX: if it is just ZDRX and "status quo", can we move forward to just removing the label? TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 04:47, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

  Enough concerns have been raised above such as how there exists no reliable sources suggesting how the movie is not propaganda and there should be no room for treatment of Godi media as the reliable mainstream sources. You are showing your own poor behavior by demeaning those appropriate concerns as "stonewalling". Orientls (talk) 09:15, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

  Again, can you stop speaking in vague terms? That does nothing, you can't simple dodge the requirement for sourcing and due weight. Which source exactly are you calling unreliable? The Hindu, Scroll, Indian Express, The Federal, Deccan Herald, or India Today? Or a source that hasn't been discussed yet? Which one?

  WP:ICTFSOURCES is a topic specific sourcing guideline that follows WP:RS; WP:FILMLEAD and WP:LABEL are wikipedia guidelines. You will need to provide very strong justification for why we must ignore these guidelines. Stronger than vague use of political pejoratives. UnpetitproleX (talk) 10:23, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

  I guess this isn't going to go anywhere without fresh input, with Orientals (didn't remember you were in this) and ZDRX refusing to budge and the back and forth just growing. What will be the next step? WP:DRN, WP:NPOVN, or some RfC? Pinging some regulars? regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 11:12, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

Proposal

• Since this discussion has hit a stonewall, I will make a formal proposal based on my comment here. WP:FILMLEAD says that a genre classification "should comply with WP:WEIGHT and reflect what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources," and WP:LABEL requires us to avoid contentious labels "unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject" and even then with in-text attribution. Keeping WP:ICTFSOURCES (which follows WP:RS) in mind and having looked at the sources presented above and those in the article, we simply cannot make a wikivoiced genre classification for "propaganda film" as per WP:FILMLEAD since that is not a genre that a majority of the mainstream RS call the film (or non-mainstream ones, for that matter). That the film was called a work of propaganda by more than one RS is a significant critique of the film which I think should appear in the lead, but in accordance with WP:LABEL which requires contentious labels to be attributed in-text. Thus, instead of the contentious wikivoiced genre classification in the lead sentence, we say, alongside all the other critique of the film in the lead:

  some critics called the film a work of propaganda

  cited to the India Today and Deccan Herald articles. This is in line with WP:FILMLEAD, WP:LABEL as well as WP:RS. UnpetitproleX (talk) 20:19, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose - There are enough reliable sources that treat the movie as a propaganda movie, while there are no reliable sources disputing it. You are still yet to show any WP:RS that dispute the fact that this movie is a propaganda movie. THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 07:53, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

  Not according to WP:FILMLLEAD, there are not. Also can you stop repeatedly asking others to prove a negative? I note someone asked you drop that schtick in the pervious discussion as well. This is getting into WP:IDHT territory. UnpetitproleX (talk) 06:09, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

  That editor is blocked for paid editing for the director of this movie. You are asking us to remove content only because you dont like it. It is not going to work. You are only wasting other's time with your WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT. THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 12:53, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per ZDRX. It is necessary for you to show that your argument (baseless so far) has as a place in WP:RS. Wikilawyering is simply not enough. Orientls (talk) 13:00, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

  WP:ICTFSOURCES is based on offWP:RS. Seeking guidance in wikipedia guidelines is not wikilawyering, that is precisely why those guidelines exist. UnpetitproleX (talk) 21:17, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

• ICTFSOURCES is something compiled by a WikiProject and holds no weight (as has been discussed recently elsewhere). It defers completely to WP:RSP. Black Kite (talk) 10:45, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

  @Black Kite: Of course ICTFSOURCES defers completely to WP:RSP. But can you explain how this proposal fails WP:RSP, as is being claimed? UnpetitproleX (talk) 11:23, 16 December 2025 (UTC)

• I of course support the proposal, but I'm pessimistic that anything will come out of it without outside input, with the same editors wikilawyering and stonewalling and all of us going around in circles. I think it's time to workshop an RfC. I propose the question be something like:
  "Should Wikipedia refer to The Bengali Files as a "propaganda film" in wikivoice in the lead?"
  The options being yes or no. @UnpetitproleX: What do you think? I think the venue for this should be NPOVN, or it should at least be advertised there. @Firefangledfeathers: is WP:NPOVN an appropriate venue for an RfC like this?
  cc: @Orientls and ZDRX.
  regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 07:19, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

  I would recommend holding the RfC here and posting a neutral invitation at NPOVN. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:06, 12 December 2025 (UTC)=

  @TryKid: I think such an RfC would be appropriate. UnpetitproleX (talk) 07:18, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose: WP:FILMLEAD and WP:LABEL only apply when reliable sources are not present which use such labels. We already have countless articles across Wikipedia which directly call films propaganda in the lead sentence (some of the countless examples that exist include The Rothschilds (film), Triumph of the Will, Hearts of the World, among many others), so no, we wouldn't need any "extraordinary consensus" to overturn a "global norm", as such a global norm (in not calling films propaganda even if supported by sources) does not exist. Many of the film articles which call their subject propaganda in the lead sentence also have GA status, such as Jud Süß or Theresienstadt (1944 film), among others. The Bengal Files being a propaganda film is supported by multiple sources, and removing it would be a severe violation of WP:NPOV. So far, it just seems like this is an WP:IDONTLIKEIT situation. — EarthDude (Talk) 08:39, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

  FILMLEAD explicitly specifies reflecting what "a majority of mainstream reliable sources" say for a genre classification and LABEL requires attributed usage of contentious labels when "widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject." Simply having sources is not enough, content, especially a wikivoiced contentious genre classification, will need to reflect due weight in sources. No need to deflect. Also, I don't see how describing which policies and guidelines (and how) exactly are being violated here can in any way be construed as WP:IDL—it, in fact, is the exact opposite of that. I suggest you not make such a frivolous misrepresentation. UnpetitproleX (talk) 07:08, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

Edit request 24 November 2025

Description of suggested change: There is no reason to conclude the film to be a propaganda film. At best, it can be called a controversial film. Diff:

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"The Bengal Files is a 2025 Indian Hindi-language political drama propaganda film written and directed by Vivek Agnihotri."

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"The Bengal Files is a 2025 Indian Hindi-language political drama film written and directed by Vivek Agnihotri."

Ssanagav (talk) 09:29, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

•  Not done. See multiple previous discussions. Black Kite (talk) 13:32, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

  Please link the "discussions" if they happened. No-one has linked the discussion so far. Waonderer (talk) 14:04, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

  They are splattered randomly throughout Archive 1 and Archive 2, although a lot of them involve an editor banned for paid editing. The first section in Archive 2 is probably the biggest; if you search for posts by Ratnahastin, they have posted sources there for the "propaganda" wording. In the end, at the moment there has not been consensus to remove it from ECR editors. Black Kite (talk) 14:35, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

  @Waonderer:There is one ongoing right above. UnpetitproleX (talk) 06:29, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

RfC on the lead

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Should The Bengal Files be referred to as a "propaganda film" in wikivoice in the first sentence of the lead? 19:29, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

Survey

• No: The relevant guidelines for this situation are WP:FILMLEAD and WP:LABEL.
  I had asked for sources to justify the label two months ago, but it went without any real reply. I have gone ahead to analyse the results I got on searching for "Bengal Files" + "propaganda" together (with quotes). I found six sources that refer to the film as such: India Today, Deccan Herald The Quint, Cinema Express, eNewsroom (unreliable?), and South Asia Journal (unreliable?).
  There are eight others that quote other people referring to the film as such, but do not do as in their own voice: Free Press Journal, WION, Hindustan Times, Indian Express, Mathrubhumi, Mashable India, South Asian Herald, and New Lines Magazine.
  All of these are in the background of a dozen reviews that do not refer to the film as such and do not mention the label: NDTV, Filmfare, Hindustan Times, India Today, Scroll.in, Hollywood Reporter India, WION, Indian Express, News18, among others (these are just the ones listed in the reception section of the article).
  Privileging a minority of the sources to stick a contentious label—a comment on the social function of a piece of media and not a "genre classification"—in the lead would be a violation of Wikipedia's policy on both due weight and neutral point of view, and Wikipedia's guidelines and established practices on how to structure the lead of film articles. The label, with or without attribution, belongs in the reception section with the rest of the reviews, not in the first sentence. regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 19:32, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

• No, not in wikivoice and not in the lead sentence. According to WP:FILMLEAD, a genre classification "should comply with WP:WEIGHT and reflect what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources," and per WP:LABEL, contentious labels should be avoided "unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case us[ing] in-text attribution." We cannot make a wikivoiced contentious genre classification for "propaganda film" since that is not a genre that a majority of the mainstream RS call the film nor does it satisfy the requirement for in-text attribution for contentious labels, but the film being called a work of propaganda is a significant critique of it which should appear in the lead, in accordance with WP:LABEL, alongside the other criticisms of it (some such wording as "some critics called the film a work of propaganda," as I proposed here). UnpetitproleX (talk) 00:37, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

• Might I suggest "politically charged" as not a genre classification, but a factual descriptor? I found the descriptor in this article (first result on Google Scholar). For the record, I do not find the idea that "propaganda" is a "genre classification" very convincing, though I'm not sure that this aspect of the film is salient enough to warrant inclusion in the very first sentence.Katzrockso (talk) 03:14, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

  I like the suggestion, but currently the "propaganda film" description immediately follows "political drama", which would make it very clunky.

  How about instead expanding on the "The film received criticism over its distortion of history" bit into its own short paragraph, discussing criticisms and accusations of propaganda?

  Thanks and good tidings, User:غوّاص العلم (Ghawwas) (talk) 12:23, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

  Noting here that both Karzrockso and Ghawwas have stated in the discussion section here ("put me in the No boat too") and here ("I'm on the No, side") respectively that they oppose genre classification as 'propaganda film' in lead sentence but believe criticism of the film for propaganda should be included elsewhere in the lead. UnpetitproleX (talk) 20:51, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

• Yes - It is reliably sourced. The above objections are based on WP:JDL and that is not supposed to be entertained on Wikipedia. Segaton (talk) 14:56, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
• Yes per above. Just like above discussion, you still havent backed your argument (baseless so far) has any place in WP:RS. Wikilawyering is indeed not enough. Orientls (talk) 15:02, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
• Yes - As already described so many times above, there are enough reliable sources that treat the movie as a propaganda movie. However, there are no reliable sources disputing that fact. You still havent shown any reliable sources that dispute the fact that this movie is a propaganda movie. The wording cannot be changed only because you personally disagree with it. THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 16:37, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
• Yes: WP:LABEL and WP:FILMLEAD only apply when we do not have sufficient reliable sources in support of the phrase or statement. We clearly do here. In the discussion just above, I had listed countless articles, included those with GA status, which termed films propaganda, in wikivoice, in the lead sentence, so clearly this is not something unprecedented in any way. — EarthDude (Talk) 05:11, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
• Weak Yes per above, reliably sourced. Multiple sources call it as such. better wording could be done in general though. User:Bluethricecreamman (Talk·Contribs) 21:22, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
• Yes. Many of the sources above are opinion pieces, but some are not. And quick search finds higher-quality sourcing that emphasizes it, eg.

• The analysis of Vivek Agnihotri's trilogy (The Tashkent Files, The Kashmir Files, and The Bengal Files) highlights this shift. These films are seen as a form of political propaganda that uses historical events to promote a specific right-wing agenda and create an "us versus them" narrative, often targeting the Muslim community. The researcher analyse that such films blur the line between entertainment and political messaging, influencing public opinion and deepening societal divides.
• Moreover, after BJP returns to power in 2014, a large number of Bollywood films were released which broadcast the ideology of the ruling government: (...) ...and The Bengal Files (2025). These films glorify the history of Hindus and unveil the atrocities committed against them by Muslims. They also criticise the policies of the opposition party and venerate the leaders of BJP as saints. In a nutshell, these films hypnotise the audiences suffering from amnesia with a dose of Hindu nationalism and the box office success of some of them carries evidence of this claim.

I think the latter can reasonably be paraphrased to "propaganda", especially given its context. Note that these two are the only academic sources discussing it that I can find (though ofc my search was in the English language), which answers the objection above about the existence of sources that don't use the term; we must go with the highest-quality sources. --Aquillion (talk) 14:32, 27 December 2025 (UTC)

Yes: If there are no reliable sourcing disputing the propaganda label and there are many that do, we should follow what the sourcing says. Ismeiri (talk) 09:12, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

• Yes: it isn't ill to call a spade a spade. Reliable sources seem to agree also. Swee☩ Amber|Bbyshrkbss2 14:46, 16 January 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:FILMLEAD and WP:LABEL are pretty clear for how it goes for wikivoicing contentious labels. With only a handful of sources stating this (the usage of non-RS and synthesized sources should also be discounted), I don't see an "overwhelming" display of RS describing the film as such in their own voice which is what would be required to trounce LABEL and standard film genre leads. As for WP:SPADE and disputation of the label. Sources by Aquillion actually only solidify the case for why no wikivoicing of the label should be had here, with no academic sources directly using the contentious label nor it being overhwelming to impinge on basic NPOV policies like FILMLEAD and LABEL. With the majority of sources actually not using it (as shown by the nom and through a perusal of the sources in the article). And a look at established film databases ( [Drama], [Drama], [Drama], [Drama/History]) only further states the case to follow basic MOS:FILM guidleines. Though attributed additions elsewhere in the lede/body may be fine. I had raised this labelling issue earlier at WP:FILM and WP:ICTF. Beyond policies, will further delve into the rationale in the discussion below (including context and inapt comparisions). Gotitbro (talk) 06:16, 17 January 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:FILMLEAD. However, I see enough grounds to mention its propagandistic nature elsewhere in the lead, and there should also be a section devoted to "Historical accuracy and political messaging" as recommended by MOS:FILM. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:45, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
• Yes - The descriptor is well sourced and there is already preponderance of articles that use "Propaganda film" as descriptor in the lede, so the argument that the lede sentence should only convey genre information is not convincing. Wisher08 (talk) 13:51, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

References

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Discussion

• @Katzrockso and غوّاص العلم: these are fine suggestions, and a summarisation of the film's reception as a lead paragraph, including all these descriptors would be warranted. The RfC is not about how to summarise the reception in the lead though, that was never even attempted by any of the involved parties in the dispute. As you can see in the #FILMLEAD concerns section above, it's entirely about a single word that a few editors have demanded must be in the first sentence and have refused to back down on. The RfC is to resolve that question. regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 12:47, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

  I understand. With regards to that, I'm on the No, side, and agree that the current placement and use of WikiVoice on that description is unwarranted. However, I would feel more comfortable with that if you were to agree to take on adding that summarization of criticisms, controversies etc, including mentioning accusations of propaganda. Because solely removing the current undue bit of the lead might create a slight imbalance in the other direction, despite the "The film received criticism over its distortion of history" bit.

  Does that seem reasonable to you? User:غوّاص العلم (Ghawwas) (talk) 13:12, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, that is absolutely reasonable—Wikipedia should mention and summarise the reception of the film, including all the criticism. That is the established practice. The current sort of hatchet job in first sentence on the other hand, even in contravention to Wikipedia's own policy, only builds distrust and brings disrepute to the encyclopedia, and is culturally corrosive. regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 15:17, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, I also agree that it should not be described as a propaganda film on the lead sentence, as the sourcing is not sufficient for this description. So I guess put me in the No boat too Katzrockso (talk) 04:22, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

  @Aquillion: the RfC is about the first sentence of the lead and adherence to FILMLEAD guidelines, and not the reception and view of the film in sources; that is the thrust of my argument. There are multiple academic sources stating Top Gun: Maverick to be propaganda and the article has a section on the issue, but it would very strange and uncharacteristic of Wikipedia (and in contravention to its guidelines) if the first sentence stated it to be a "military propaganda film" as if that's some genre classification. regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 21:22, 27 December 2025 (UTC)

  It would not be strange or in contravention of WP:PG if the lead sentence called it a propaganda film. There are countless articles, including those with GA Status (Such as Jud Süß, Theresienstadt (1944 film), among others), which state their respective subjects to be propaganda in the lead sentence. Had this really been a violation of PG, such articles would never have become GA, much less keep their status for several years (the former has had its status for over a decade). Of course, how the film is received and portrayed in reliable sources is going to be how we portray it too. Your comment "and not the reception and view of the film in sources" makes absolutely no sense. Lastly, if you really want Top Gun: Maverick to be called a propaganda film in the lead, you can simply start a discussion in its talk page. Courtesy ping to @Aquillion. — EarthDude (Talk) 04:41, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

• Partially recapitulating my comments from ICTF, Wikiproject Film and Talk:The Kashmir Files:

The film appears to have been criticized as a 'propaganda film' by certain RS but wikivoicing this directly in the lede sentence goes against against MOS:FILMLEDE (which provides for a barebones listing of makers, genre and release). The same is the case with the majority of the films listed under the Category:Propaganda films, which in most cases do not wikivoice this as a genre.
Similar issues have also cropped up at The Bengal Files and The Tashkent Files (and others), all part of one series by the same director, Vivek Agnihotri...
Comparisions to well known [Nazi] propaganda films, univerally described as such, to justify the wording have been made but these appear to be unfounded. Indian cinema and politics is nothing new, cf. Tamil cinema and Dravidian politics, and films categorized as propaganda are out and abound. I can understand adding such reception/criticism (when attributed to RS) to the body or perhaps elsewhere in the lede but directly wikivoicing this in the lede sentence is what should not be done per MOS. What some scholars and reviewers describe the film as does not trump our MOS guidelines, there is a reason we avoid such labelling directly in the lede sentence, it opens up a can of worms for a whole host of films critiqued as such.
According to MOS:FILMLEDE, the lede sentence should be bare bones data about the film itself, "At minimum, the opening sentence should identify the title, the year of its earliest public screening (either general release or at a film festival), and the primary genre or sub-genre under which it is verifiably classified. See WP:LEADSENTENCE for guidance that applies to other elements, such as reputable directors, starring actors, and source material. Genre classifications should comply with WP:WEIGHT and reflect what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources." The wikivoiced addition of propaganda film as such directly in the lede sentence would appear to be incorrect (this is coming from someone who populated most of the Category:Indian propaganda films a while back, including for its previous film The Tashkent Files). A look at the GA The Birth of a Nation (the quintessential propaganda film) also provides on how such stuff should be handled.

Gotitbro (talk) 07:05, 17 January 2026 (UTC)

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