Talk:Team Rocket

"Queer-coded"

Can we not? 74.73.61.47 (talk) 23:51, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

We can, actually. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 00:10, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Yahoo! republished an article originally written for the Daily Beast, in which they claim there is a significant segment of the internet that regards Team Rocket as queer icons (this has been my personal experience within queer communities as well <3). It goes into significant detail on the reasons why this is. I don't see any reason to remove this detail from the article. Personally, I would like to include more details from the article into our article, but I recognized that it's currently regarded as a relatively minor point of the overall topic. Still, from a practical sense, we have a set of villains that have very frequently been depicted as crossdressing. It's bewildering to me to suggest we could write a complete article on them without mentioning this. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:19, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

My point was that we certainly can mention them cross-dressing as that's easily verified by the show itself - but that they're in some way intentionally queercoded, LGBT+ supportive or anything other than using it as a comedic device is sorely lacking in sources.

It does seem probably that the community has picked them up as being queercoded, but whether this is intentional or something that the community has decided upon needs defining - and so far I've only seen the community's opinion, there's nothing to support that this is intentional. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:46, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

Reading something as queer-coded does not mean they are intentionally queer-coded. You can still acknowledge it as part of reception, case in point Lebanne.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:18, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

So add sources to show this. I'm not bothered either way, but I am bothered by claims that lack sufficient sourcing. Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:51, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

Sufficient sourcing? As long as the sources are from reliable source that the project approves it can be used similar. The same we have with characters like some characters like Sora and Riku from Kingdom Hearts and Phoenix and Edgeworth from Ace Attorney are sometimes addressed as romantic by wriiters. Tintor2 (talk) 14:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

I think we have a very different understanding of what "queercoding" means. Our own article describes it as "the attribution of stereotypically queer traits to fictional characters without explicitly stating their gender and sexual identity." Even without the source I would have been comfortable stating that The Pokémon Company has done this with Team Rocket (they crossdress but have not been identified in queer in any other way). Intentionality is irrelevant. The term "queercoding" is of particular interest/usefulness here because of, well, Queercoding#Villains. You might notice that most characters listed there are likely not intentionally queercoded, for what it's worth. I've already ceded for the term to be mentioned in the lede last year, but it is still an apt term to be mentioned in reception. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:38, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

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Where does Butch & Cassidy fit in?

Where do Butch & Cassidy fit in regards to the article? Their names are from Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid. They are also Team Rocket members though unlike Jessie, James and Meowth they don't appear in Kanto game. They only appear in the anime. Butch's Japanese name Kosaburō includes "saburo," meaning "third son". This serves as a play on James's Japanese name, Kojirō (which contains "jiro," meaning "second son"). Cassidy (Yamato): Her name is a reference to the Japanese battleship Yamato. This mirrors Jessie's Japanese name, Musashi, which refers to the battleship Musashi. - ~2026-22998-38 (talk) 00:18, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Yup, this is all fun trivia, but they're extremely minor characters in the franchise and not really relevant to bring up in an encyclopedic overview of Team Rocket. There's not even much to say about them besides their name origins. I've personally not seen any thematic analysis or general reception of Butch and Cassidy. Regardless, what it really comes down to is that we don't have any reliable secondary sources to cite. We only put in here what established secondary sources say about a topic, and they're generally pretty quiet on minor characters for obvious reasons. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:17, 14 April 2026 (UTC)