Talk:Tayce

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Another Believer _(Talk) 02:38, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Why "Them" Pronouns when he said he's a cis gay man?

Why does this article use they/them pronouns? Tayce has referred to himself out of drag as a gay man, so it is disrespectful to impose a nonbinary identity onto a cis person. I think the article should switch to he/him pronouns unless anyone objects. If there's evidence Tayce prefers they/them, I of course defer to that. I will check in in a week! Aroundthewayboy (talk) 16:22, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Since nobody added any sources suggesting Tayce is trans or nonbinary, and since the only source in his WP page refers to him as a cis gay man, out of respect for his identity as a cis gay man I changed the pronouns in the article to he/him. Aroundthewayboy (talk) 15:35, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Pronouns

The footnote in the lead section says this: "Szura-Radix uses she/her and he/him pronouns. She/her will be used in this article for consistency." Is there any good reason why we should disregard this? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

IP, Tayce is notable as a drag queen which Tayce prefers to self-identify as she not he. Although should the personal life section use he matching Szura-Radix's preference when out-of-drag? Technically we are no longer respecting Szura-Radix's self-identification as "she/her" while in drag (which most of this article is about).

@Martinevans123, cannot find a guideline for these instances where a subject uses both pronouns but changes it depending on the context (in and out of drag). Guidelines appear to only state for times when a subject changes one pronoun for the other. Szura-Radix is notable as a drag queen, under she/her pronouns, not when he is out of drag. So best either we use the pronouns Tayce is most known for as their self-identification in drag when referencing that, maybe use "he" for non-drag? or change it all back to they?

Other known drag queens like The Vivienne, have "she" for most of the article, bar "he" in the personal life section (although it is inconsistent). Krystal Versace is the same. While Ginger Johnson (drag queen) switches pronouns depending on context. So all over the place (possibly due to spontaneous pronoun edits), but appears we don't only use a subject's "personal life/family-use pronouns", so boldly reverted them for now. DankJae 22:36, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

It appears to me to be disrespectful of Tayce's wishes to use she/her when referring to Tayce in any context apart from when Tayce is performing the 'female' drag persona. The prounun preference of any other individual, be they drag queen or not, is wholly irrelevant. Non gender specific language would be the best solution Matt zero07489 (talk) 22:44, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

I have never encountered a situation quite like like this and it looks like a gender pronoun minefield. I have no strong view either way. I only arrived here via Kai Widdrington. My only motivation was to protect the status quo against undiscussed IP edits. IP 2a06, I think you need to engage here before any making any further edits. Unless, of course, you have now become Matt zero07489. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:57, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

That's me. Im now logged in as Mattzero..., as i was concerned about publicly sharing my IP. I've got no agenda here, but my understanding is that Tayce considers himself male, aside from when performing drag, and Im concerned that the recent social shift toward using fenale pronouns for drag artists could be offensive to someone like Tayce. I always prefer to use non gender specific language where there is ambiguity. No one can be offended by that! 🙂 Matt zero07489 (talk) 23:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

You could be right. Policy seems a bit lacking on this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:20, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

You're right about it being a minefield! 😁 Matt zero07489 (talk) 23:21, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Might be better to use she/her in drag while the opposite when not in that profession except for Strictly when the character was definitely in the drag persona. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 00:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)