Talk:Suzhou dialect
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Suzhounese
[edit]I get that there's no established way to romanize the dialect, so it's understandable we fall back on IPA, but [səu55 ʦøʏ55-21 ɦᴇ13 ɦo31-33]? Surely a language that only has 3 tones is easier to describe than this ASCII mess. At the very least, we need a link to some explanation of why we have four numbers to describe a single vowel's tone contour. — LlywelynII 10:32, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
- You are wrong. There are 7 tones in isolated situations. --2001:16B8:BA2A:800:4872:2D8:C8B7:2B51 (talk) 12:22, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- @LlywelynII this is an issue with analyzing it with such phonemic reduction.
- there are 5 distinct open-syllable contours (plus 2 checked contours)—so despite being able to reduce the phonemicity of the tones by onset voicing, it's not helpful as an actual description.
- Additionally, Suzhou has tone sandhi so those pitch contours do not necessarily manifest as-is. This is why each syllable looks like it has "4 numbers". The left number pre-hyphen is underlying, the right number after-hyphen is after sandhi.
- I've recently rewritten the sandhi section so it should be more comprehensible. Wandering Maiden (talk) 18:51, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
Names
[edit]Well, I certainly say "Suzhounese" more than "Suzhou dialect" but it doesn't seem to be standard. It's only started appearing in the last decade or so. Even the Wade version has the N, though, and that usage seems so recent and so rare as to not need mentioning. Probably worth mentioning the other name of the dialect, though. — LlywelynII 05:03, 19 January 2014 (UTC)