Talk:Surr

Citing oral history

The sources on this article are being discussed on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Oral Citations. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 10:02, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I reverted the most recent censure of oral citations made by Fifelfoo. I understand the issue of primary research, but in this specific case, because the subject cannot be represented well with secondary research due to the orality of the knowledge culture, primary research is appropriate. Per guidelines on "No Original Research," "A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." (#Primary, secondary and tertiary Sources).

Matthewvetter (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 14:38, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

I see there's a really detailed discussion of this page in Heather Ford, 'Fact Factories: Wikipedia and the Power to Represent' (unpublished D.Phil. thesis, University of Oxford, 2015), esp. pp. 153-98: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282643334; DOI: 10.13140/RG.2.1.4068.9361. I think the thesis as a whole is very interesting. Alarichall (talk) 21:44, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

It was inappropriate to add unreliable sources in the first place, it was inappropriate to revert them back into place, and now I also have removed them. I also removed the now-unsourced content based on those sources. The 2012 WP:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_115#Oral_Citations discussion did NOT support use of these sources, and various sitewide discussions over the last decade have come down against these kinds of user-generated claimed oral histories. Alsee (talk) 11:22, 18 November 2022 (UTC)