Talk:Southwark Cathedral

Name

Nobody refers to Odo of Bayeux as 'Odon of Contou'

Info Box

The info box is causing a great big gap in the text. LOOK at the "Show Preview" and fix problems before saving! Amandajm (talk) 08:02, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

The illustration by W. Hollar is actually called the Long View of London (Southwark being only the near side of the river in his view). Also, my information is old, but when I last checked, the date of this sketch for the later-engraved panorama was conjectural, and (in some minds at least) doubtful. The reasoning was, a) The 2nd Globe was pulled down in 1644, and b) this appears to be an eye-witness sketch for the panorama, and therefore c)Hollar must have made it before 1644. The Wikipedia entry on Hollar states that he came to England in 1637. In short, we know only that he made this drawing sometime between 1637 and 1644. We assume it was an on-the-spot sketch (probably from the tower of Southwark Cathedral) because, unlike other contemporary panoramas, it uses a roughly single point perspective, with the Thames very wide in the center of the roughly 6-foot, multi-sheet engraving, and dwindling in width as it approaches the edges of the view. Incidentally, Hollar's details of the Globe are probably more trustworthy than the elongated, multi-angled image in the Visscher panorama of 1616. (Visscher omitted several of the prominent flying buttresses on St. Paul's Cathedral.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jim Stinson (talk • contribs) 21:40, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

19th Century

No mention that the nave was rebuilt twice in the 19th century?

Done, if so far rather briefly Ruskinmonkey (talk) 13:30, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

St. Mary Overie / Overy and her legend

Isn't there a stone inscription at the St. Mary Overy dock that describes the legend of Mary Overie, the daughter of John Overs, a ferryman?

I also have heard that St. Mary Overy is a corruption of St. Mary of the Ferry, or that Overy is the later spelling of the Saxon word overie meaning “over the water” Group29 (talk) 00:34, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

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Richard Humble Monument

In the choir, the monument to Richard Humble, London alderman (d. 1616), contains the inscription beginning with the line "Like to the Damask Rose you see". The so-named Dr. Dunnes Mortalitye was(/is?) contained in the Jackson Manuscript at Edinburgh.--Lmstearn (talk) 19:19, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Out of date clergy

Andrew Zihni has left Andrew Nunn is about to. Leanne Roberts left. Thomas Sharp.....

Will update when I get time. 2001:8B0:B102:7EDA:993B:E8F7:7D46:338A (talk) 23:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Current list is at https://cathedral.southwark.anglican.org/about-us/whos-who/the-clergy/ but little point in a separate clergy list section when it just duplicates the sidebar. Jon.baldwin (talk) 19:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

best to update on sun (3 dec 2023) when new dean arrives. 81.2.66.249 (talk) 22:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

hexagonal building that is now song school

The article makes no mention of the hexagonal building that is now the song school. previously education centre, exhibition, pizza express. when and why was it built. 81.2.66.249 (talk) 22:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

The Great Altar-Screen

Around 1520, in the episcopate of Richard Fox, Bishop of Winchester, a splendid altar-screen was erected, with two small doors through it to the retro-choir. It is about 30 ft. high, occupies the whole of the east wall below the window, and contains three tiers of niches, all canopied. Although the general appearance of the screen is that of the original, much of the detail (including the gilding) is from the 19th and 20th century. Whether all the original statues were ever installed is uncertain, as the screen was completed within a decade of the Reformation, when such statues were forbidden. In 1703 Bishop Fox’s screen was defaced to make a flat surface for the fitting of a ‘classical’ wooden reredos. The gothic canopies had been “unsparingly hacked, almost to a plane surface”. After the removal of the wooden reredos in 1830, Bishop Fox’s stone screen was completely restored and altered in many respects by R. Wallace, who had also repaired the transepts of the church. The original portions of the screen are of Caen and firestone, the restoration in Painswick stone. Nearly the whole of the ornamental detail was “scupulously worked from moulds made from the original remains, and replaced in the same situations […]”. The few surviving fragments of the late medieval sculpture may include the small carvings of the Lamb of God and the pelican (a badge of Bishop Fox) immediately above the rows of angels, as are some of the bases of the niches. The grotesque carvings in the spandrels of the two doorways, showing hunting scenes (a man chasing a fox), may also be original. When the restoration was largely complete, around 1834, a committee appealed to the generosity of the public to fill the still empty niches with statues. This would not be realised until much later: the majority of the statues set in the niches were carved by Messrs Nicolls of Lambeth from 1905 onwards. They represent key figures in the history of the church in which they stand. SemperVeritas77 (talk) 19:47, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, references please. Your "completed within a decade of the Reformation, when such statues were forbidden" is an oversimplification - the question of when the addition of such statues became unlikely is a complicated one. Johnbod (talk) 01:56, 29 April 2025 (UTC)