Talk:Small Ring, Brussels

The coordinates now point to the center of the small ring, which is no where near it (since the ring is a ring). I propose to change it to a (random ?) point on the ring itself. --Luxem (talk) 11:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. -Oreo Priest ^talk 02:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Infobox

I'd like to edit the infobox this way. In this way it is smaller (and gives more space for the article self) and the info on crossing roads is now available in the article, so is no more necessary on the picture legend. Is that OK?

R20 Brussels Small Ring

Length: 8 km

Intersections

(1)  Porte de Hal / Hallepoort (2)  Gare du Midi / Zuidstation (3)  Porte d'Anderlecht / Anderlechtsepoort (4)  Porte de Ninove / Ninoofsepoort (5)  Porte de Flandre / Vlaanderenpoort (6)  Place Sainctelette / Saincteletteplein (7)  Place de l'Yser / IJzerplein (8)  Porte d'Anvers / Antwerpsepoort (9)  Place Rogier / Rogierplein (10)  Porte de Schaerbeek / Schaarbeeksepoort (11)  Place Madou / Madouplein (12)  Arts-Loi/ Kunst-Wet (13)  Belliard (14)  Place du Trône / Troonplein (15)  Porte de Namur / Naamsepoort (16)  Place Louise / Louizaplein Signboard on the small ring.

Hi. I've been busy, but haven't forgotten. Let me start by saying your effort is appreciated.

The primary issue is that what streets a road crosses (except for in some cases perhaps one or two particularly notable ones) might not be encyclopedic information. Having said that, it might be notable in this case as they're the historical roads linking Brussels to the rest of Belgium. In the R21's case, the cross-streets probably aren't notable enough.

In this case, at least, I would be in favour of moving the infobox down to the portion of the article where the roads are discussed. That way the labels are more clear. What do you think?

And yes, I was sloppy, the info I deleted was not already in the article. My bad. Oreo Priest ^talk 15:00, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Title

While "small ring" does correctly translate the name in French and Flemish, in English the road is usually referred to as the "inner ring" and the larger E40 as the "outer ring". See Brussels Times, for example: https://www.brusselstimes.com/brussels/170848/new-roadworks-on-brussels-ring-road-whats-planned/

Was the number N0 ever used?

The following requires evidence:

The Small Ring has been a national road from the very beginning of road numbering in Belgium. As all radial highways connecting Brussels with the provincial capitals and the national borders received numbers running from 1 to 10 (later renumbered 1–9), it seemed logical to assign the number 0 to the Small Ring, especially since it forms the first and only complete connection between all these routes and, as a ring road, somewhat has the shape of a zero. The route N0 formally has its kilometer zero at the Porte de Hal/Hallepoort (in the middle of the tunnel) and then runs in a clockwise fashion back to where it began. The N0 follows the fastest option of the different roads available and therefore goes through the various tunnels, starting with the Rogier tunnel and ending with the Halle Gate tunnel.

Between the western exit of the Halle Gate tunnel and the Anderlecht Gate intersection the N0 designation follows Boulevard du Midi/Zuidlaan, while the counter-clockwise direction (following Boulevard Poincarélaan and Avenue de la Porte de Hal/Hallepoortlaan) has the designation N0a. While between Place de l'Yser/IJzerplein and the Antwerp Gate intersection the N0b designation exists for a short section of Boulevard d'Anvers/Antwerpselaan where the N0 has entered the Rogier tunnel. Finally, the designation N0c was given to a stretch of road connecting the Small Ring to Rue Belliardstraat at the Trône or Troon tunnel (counter-clockwise only). In a similar fashion the outer ring road, the motorway constructed between the 1950s and the late 1970s, received the road number R0 (ring zero).