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Latest comment: 1 year ago by Sadko in topic Why was my correct edit "reverted"?

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I had disambiguated this in April '22 after 18 years of the tradition being presumed primary topic, and 15 years with a hatnote. In March '22, the hatnote destination received 1199 views compared to 9356 views of "Slava", which was ~13%. --Joy (talk) 07:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Slava indicates that in October '23, there were 362 views of Slava, of which a portion could be identified into clickstreams, 83 going to tradition (~23%), 22 to given name (~6%), 14 to cruiser class (~4%), 11 to battleship (~3%), 10 to salute (~3%), and the rest is below the threshold of anonymization. --Joy (talk) 11:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

The variations in the graphs for tradition are interesting: in the all-time monthly views for the tradition, there's clearly a regular winter spike and a regular smaller May spike in interest.

The spikes in viewership of the salute and some of the ships are clearly correlated to the recent invasion and war, the stats links are:

--Joy (talk) 12:08, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

In January '24, which is the lower end of the seasonal spike for the tradition, there was a total of 487 incoming views and 166 identified clickstreams, which went 74 tradition (~15%), 32 given name (~6.5%), 21 Ukraine see-also PTM, 15 cruiser class, 14 specific cruiser, 10 singer (listed because of mononymous use). --Joy (talk) 15:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

In February, 349 views, with 117 identifiable outgoing clickstreams: 38 to tradition (~11%), 28 to name (~8%), 19 to cruiser class (~5.5%), 19 to see-also PTM, 13 to the Bernstein composition. --Joy (talk) 15:40, 15 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Since then, these patterns have persisted, here's the monthly clickstreams:

April 347 views, clickstream-enwiki-2024-04.tsv:
  • Slava Slava_(tradition) link 33 (~9.5% / ~30%)
  • Slava Slava_(given_name) link 23
  • Slava Slava-class_cruiser link 18
  • Slava Russian_cruiser_Moskva link 17
  • Slava Russian_battleship_Slava link 11
  • Slava Slava_Ukraini link 10
  • total: 112 to 6 identified destinations
May 316 views, clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv:
  • Slava Slava_(tradition) link 45 (~14% / ~45.5%)
  • Slava Slava_(given_name) link 20
  • Slava Slava_Ukraini link 14
  • Slava Slava-class_cruiser link 10
  • Slava Slava!_A_Political_Overture link 10
  • total: 99 to 5 identified destinations
June 293 views, clickstream-enwiki-2024-06.tsv:
  • Slava Slava_(tradition) link 34 (~11.5% / ~29.5%)
  • Slava Slava_(given_name) link 30
  • Slava Slava-class_cruiser link 21
  • Slava Slava_Ukraini link 16
  • Slava Russian_battleship_Slava link 14
  • total: 115 to 5 identified destinations
July 318 views, clickstream-enwiki-2024-07.tsv:
  • Slava Slava_(tradition) link 32 (~10% / ~27.5%)
  • Slava Slava_(given_name) link 26
  • Slava Slava_Ukraini link 16
  • Slava Slava-class_cruiser link 16
  • Slava Russian_battleship_Slava link 15
  • Slava Russian_cruiser_Moskva link 11
  • total: 116 to 6 identified destinations
August 284 views, clickstream-enwiki-2024-08.tsv:
  • Slava Slava_(tradition) link 40 (~14% / ~41%)
  • Slava Slava_(given_name) link 33
  • Slava Slava-class_cruiser link 23
  • Slava Slava_Ukraini link 20
  • total: 116 to 4 identified destinations

Note that this doesn't include filtered clickstreams, and August WikiNav shows 62 or ~19%. --Joy (talk) 07:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Why was my correct edit "reverted"?

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I added cellist Mstislav Rostropovich, whose nickname was FAMOUSLY "Slava," to this page. This edit has been "reverted" by Sadko without explanation. If it was a minor technical error, please consider that Wikipedia is supposed to be written by people who know something about the topic, NOT by people whose expertise is in Wikipedia minutia. The latter could use their time better than merely destroying the work of others.

Here are some examples of the common usage of the Slava nickname for Rostropovich:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava!_A_Political_Overture "Rostropovich was known to friends as Slava, the diminutive of his given name."


https://www.amazon.com/Slava-75-Official-75th-Birthday/dp/B00005YUBM Title of album

https://weta.org/fm/classical-score/looking-back-rostropovich-nso "I called him Slava as he asked me to" https://www.blueridgenow.com/story/news/2007/05/20/mstislav-slava-rostropovich-the-soviet-capitalist/28033383007/ Prodesse (talk) 14:08, 26 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

In what way does it relate to the article?— Sadko (words are wind) 16:20, 26 July 2025 (UTC)Reply
What do you mean, "relate to the article"? It isn't an article. The heading of the page is "Slava may refer to:" and various categories follow. Imagine you were reading an article in which someone referred to a musician named Slava, without additional information. You might wonder who Slava is, and go to Wikipedia to find out. Too bad! You'll not learn that within a classical music context "Slava" often refers to the cellist Rostropovich, because someone named Sadko intentionally removed that potentially helpful information. Good grief. Prodesse (talk) 17:10, 27 July 2025 (UTC)Reply
Wikipedia cannot cite itself as a source, I am not sure if Weta is RS and Amazon is not considered a reliable source either. Nonetheless, I did some digging, and it does appear that this is his well-known nickname. Please try to add some reliable sources to the article if possible. Issue resolved, thanks. — Sadko (words are wind) 19:00, 27 July 2025 (UTC)Reply