Talk:Sic bo

Merger of Big and small into Sic bo

There is significant overlap in the content of the two articles and, as far as I can tell from research on the Internet, 'Sic bo' is the more common term in English-speaking countries; it is the term used in the laws regulating UK casinos, for example. If the games are variants of each other, the principal differences appear to be only the range of wagers offered (and, perhaps, the odds for wagers that are common to the games). --Fibula 14:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Macau name?

i just visited the Sands and the Wynn in Macau and both refered to it as Sic Bo and not anything else. I am not frequent macau visitor, so i'm not sure if this is common at the local casinos or not. but if someone knows they might want to correct the article. 137.189.4.1 03:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Probability Error

The probability for Four Number Combination is given as 1.85%, which is 4/216. There are 4 ways to choose which 3 of the 4 numbers will appear, but then 3! ways to permute these numbers amongst the dice, giving 24/216 = 1/9 = 11.11%. Odds of 7 to 1 are plausible for a probability of 1/9, but not for a probability of 1.85%. Any disagreements? Jim 14159 12:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The probabilities and payouts also seem inconsistent for "Three Single Number Combination" and "Specific Double and Single Number Combination" They would result in a negative house edge. Jim 14159 02:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

WOW! What's going on here? The chart seems to suggest that U.K. and New Zealand pay 216 to 1 on a specific triple bet. Since the odds against the player hitting are 215 to 1, this means that the player has ADVANTAGE in both places. Yet the chart claims that the player gets a 16.2% disadvantage?? Where did these numbers come from? (For the house to get a 16.2% edge, they should pay out 180 to 1).

A mistake is one thing, but the error appears to have been pointed out FIVE YEARS AGO, and still hasn't been addressed?

Note that it is correctly stated that 150 to 1 payout represents 30.1% house advantage. But based on the huge flaws elsewhere in the chart, I'm not sure I can trust that such are the actual payout odds in Macau.

Should the table be entirely scrapped?zadignose (talk) 15:06, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

There are too many mistakes about the probability which misguided me.--Zzzwik (talk) 08:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Confusion on Single Dice Bet

If there are 3 dice involved, and you select any single number 1 to 6, isn't the probability that your number shows up suppose to be 50% not 34.72%??? From my understanding there is a 1 in 6 probabilty that you will see your number on one die, so a 3 in 6 probability that you will see it on atleast one of the 3 die correct? 34.72% works out to a ratio of 217/625, how can this be?

No that is not correct, one can't just add probabilities from three 1:6 tries to arrive at 50%. Take two coins for example. Thrown simultaneously, the possibilities are {T,T} {T,H} {H,T} and {H,H}. So the probability that any one of the coins will be heads is 3/4 not (1/2 + 1/2). The probability that just one (and only one) of them is heads is 2/4.

Single Dice Bet for one die means a specific number will appear on one (and only one) die. This probability is 3*(1/6)^1*(5/6)^2 = 75/216 = 34.72% (see http://wizardofodds.com/sicbo/appendix.html). Probability of a specific number on one or more dice is (36+5*11)/216 = 91/216 = 42.13%. AdeBarkah (talk) 21:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Very common misconception which I've seen books from a century ago trying to dispossess people of in regards to Chuck-a-Luck. I could quote something in the article if anyone thinks it's worth the trouble. Heather (talk) 14:04, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

"Craps Strategy"

The section of the article that says "Sic bo is strictly a game of chance because every roll on the dice results a win or loss on any bet. In craps, some bets require certain rolls before they can become winning or losing bets, thus encouraging strategy." gave me pause. Craps is still a game of pure chance and has a negative (or zero, on Odds bets) expected value on every bet. There is no "strategy" to maximize returns or beat the game, all you can have are different ways of betting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GothPigeon (talk • contribs) 02:40, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Potential outcomes

Strictly for edification:

1	2	3	S
			3tp
			4p
			5p
			6p
			7p
			8p

1	2	3	S
			4p
			5p
			6
			7
			8
			9

1	2	3	S
			5p
			6
			7p
			8
			9
			10

1	2	3	S
			6p
			7
			8
			9p
			10
			11

1	2	3	S
			7p
			8
			9
			10
			11p
			12

1	2	3	S
			8p
			9
			10
			11
			12
			13p

---

1	2	3	S
			4p
			5p
			6
			7
			8
			9

1	2	3	S
			5p
			6tp
			7p
			8p
			9p
			10p

1	2	3	S
			6
			7p
			8p
			9
			10
			11

1	2	3	S
			7
			8p
			9
			10p
			11
			12

1	2	3	S
			8
			9p
			10
			11
			12p
			13

1	2	3	S
			9
			10p
			11
			12
			13
			14p

---

1	2	3	S
			5p
			6
			7p
			8
			9
			10

1	2	3	S
			6
			7p
			8p
			9
			10
			11

1	2	3	S
			7p
			8p
			9tp
			10p
			11p
			12p

1	2	3	S
			8
			9
			10p
			11p
			12
			13

1	2	3	S
			9
			10
			11p
			12
			13p
			14

1	2	3	S
			10
			11
			12p
			13
			14
			15p

---

1	2	3	S
			6p
			7
			8
			9p
			10
			11

1	2	3	S
			7
			8p
			9
			10p
			11
			12

1	2	3	S
			8
			9
			10p
			11p
			12
			13

1	2	3	S
			9p
			10p
			11p
			12tp
			13p
			14p

1	2	3	S
			10
			11
			12
			13p
			14p
			15

1	2	3	S
			11
			12
			13
			14p
			15
			16p

---

1	2	3	S
			7p
			8
			9
			10
			11p
			12

1	2	3	S
			8
			9p
			10
			11
			12p
			13

1	2	3	S
			9
			10
			11p
			12
			13p
			14

1	2	3	S
			10
			11
			12
			13tp
			14p
			15

1	2	3	S
			11p
			12p
			13p
			13p
			15tp
			16p

1	2	3	S
			12
			13
			14
			15
			16p
			17p

---

1	2	3	S
			8p
			9
			10
			11
			12
			13p

1	2	3	S
			9
			10p
			11
			12
			13
			14p

1	2	3	S
			10
			11
			12p
			13
			14
			15

1	2	3	S
			11
			12
			13
			14p
			15
			16p

1	2	3	S
			12
			13
			14
			15
			16p
			17p

1	2	3	S
			13p
			14p
			15p
			16p
			17p
			18tp

---

In each 'group' of 36 outcomes:

• There is one triple
• There are 16 pairs (+ the triple, which can be counted as a pair)
• There are 11 'native' pairs (i.e., 1-1 pairings in the '1' group)

Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 03:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)