Talk:Short n' Sweet

Adding "Juno" as fifth single

See discussion at WP:Singles criteria talk page for NZ radio releases. Well, I saw the talk page and only 2 users including @Abby Abangan saying that. Even that another user said: I think that would do. If you have a reliable source claiming "X" song was added to 100 radio stations you could be classified as single. Nevertheless, if it was added to one station maybe not? I think "Juno" was added in one radio station, NZ radio that Abangan claims. Furthermore, I don't think being added in NZ radio always means that the song is a single. Also, there is no consensus in WP:SINGLE?'s talk page indicating like "being added in NZ radio can mean the song is a single". Camilasdandelions (talk!) 04:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

"Juno" peaked at #2 on overall radio in New Zealand with airplay at 9 Pop and AC stations in the country . New Zealand is a much smaller country than the US, and no songs are currently receiving airplay at more than 21 monitored stations. This song is not a single just because it was added to one radio station; rather, it received a significant amount of new airplay at once which could only reflect an unannounced radio impact, as with the sourced US radio releases for Bed Chem and Busy Woman. "Juno" is also currently top 40 at radio in Australia . Abby Abangan (talk) 18:29, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

For my opinion, two sources you provided can't determine the song's format at all. You have to bring sources written in WP:SINGLE?.

1. The song was referred to as a single by the record label releasing it.
2. The song was referred to as a single by an authoritative, music-oriented media outlet (e.g., Billboard, Official Charts Company).
3. The song was released commercially independent of an album (this can be nuanced; see differentiating singles vs. promotional singles below).
4. The song was serviced to radio stations with an official add date (e.g., cited from All Access for the United States; EarOne for Italy).

You can also bring sources of Billboard or Official Charts Company saying "Juno" as a "single". Otherwise, I can't agree "Juno" is the fifth single from the album. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 12:25, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

WP:Singles criteria is an essay and does not provide an exhaustive list of reliable sources for singles (Hits Daily Double, for instance, is cited for nearly all US pop radio releases in the past couple years despite not being mentioned in said essay). I've brought this topic to multiple other talk pages and other users have only agreed with me. Billboard and Official Charts Company would not refer to "Juno" as a single because it was not released as a single in the US or the UK. Abby Abangan (talk) 19:08, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Genres

For whatever reason, a lot of genre warring has been occurring on this page. @Livelikemusic stated that I should bring this to the talk page so here I am. I’ve looked at the sources listed, and they say pop, bubblegum pop, and teen pop. Currently, this link: , ref 47 at the time of writing this, is being used as a source for bubblegum pop. As I’ve looked at the source further I’ve noticed that it is a college newspaper, therefore making it not reputable. However, the teen pop reference is from Slate, which is a reputable source for music. (It is currently ref 49; here is the link: ) The source states that the album is "teen pop all grown up and in fact sometimes deliberately evokes the sound of Carpenter's turn-of-the-century Disney-kid predecessors". With that in mind, teen pop is reliably sourced. Can we fix this?

Thank you. 2600:1002:A000:34BA:141B:5F94:B634:13B5 (talk) 01:45, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Firstly, thank you for taking to the talk page. Genre-warring does not help resolve anything. From my perspective, I would not necessarily call teen pop a main genre of the album (especially given that per its own Wikipedia page it is described as a subgenre to pop music). Additionally, the way in which Slate words it, from my perspective, reads as if that's not in fact the genre of the album, but moreso a comparison to a sound affiliated with Carpenter's previous works. For me, "pop" best defines the album's overall genre. However, if others in this discussion do end up feeling differently, I would have no problem conceding to the consensus. livelikemusic (TALK!) 02:04, 26 June 2025 (UTC)