Talk:Shivta

Khirbet el-Musherife/Mishrefe and "Shivta Camp"

Subeita in 1944

Hi @Arminden: thank you for your edit adding the alternative names here. Per the map to the right, I think Khirbet el-Musherife/Mishrefe is about 5km north of Shivta, at an IDF base known as "Shivta Camp". Onceinawhile (talk) 13:48, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Onceinawhile: you're absolutely right, sorry. The description (Byzantine rectangular fortress on a hill with a chapel, agricultural terraces, closely related Hebrew name –Mitzpe Shivta = 'Shivta Lookout'–, etc.) made me overlook the fact that it's not the same place. I'll fix it right away. Thanks, Arminden (talk) 20:10, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Armenian grafitto

Part of section removed (endlessly sloppy, self-contradictory, full of typos and misuses of the template), must be thoroughly reworked. Please make sure to paraphrase the text from the sources, not just copy & paste it.

"It is believed to have been created by an Armenian pilgrim during the Byzantine and Early Islamic periods{{dubious |A. Contradicts date given by Tchekanovets, Tepper and Bar-Oz, who worked on it. B) None of the 3 cited works deals with the Negev, let alone Shivta. C. The plural ("have been created") and the long time span ("Byzantine and Early Islamic periods") indicate that the topic is a different one altogether. D. The low quality of the text and ref data of the entire section doesn't create much confidence. |date= July 2025}}.<ref>{{cite book |title=Ronny R EICH and Eli S HUKRON , "The Western Extramural Quarter of ByzantineJerusalem", in: Michael E. S TONE , Roberta E RVINE and Nira S TONE (eds.), The Armenians in Jerusalem and the Holy Land , Leuven, Peeters, 2002, 193-201; Michael E. S TONE , Doron B EN -A MI and Yana T CHEKHANOVETS , "New Armenian Inscriptions from the Cityof David, Jerusalem", Journal of the Society for Armenian Studies 23 (2014) 149-152; I D .,"Armenian Graffito from the City of David, Jerusalem", REArm 37 (2016-2017) 283-286.}}</ref> This graffito is one of many such inscriptions found along pilgrimage routes, particularly in the Sinai Peninsula, where large groups of Armenian pilgrims traveled in the sixth and seventh centuries.

"The Armenian graffito inscription is carved into a hewn stone measuring 0.25 by 0.5 meters.

"Armenian graffiti have also been found in other holy sites, including the Nativity Church in Bethlehem, the Holy Sepulchre Church, and the sanctuaries of the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem. These inscriptions are dated to the Crusader period and later, indicating the continued pilgrimage of Armenians to the Holy Land.

"The presence of Armenian graffiti at Shivta is intriguing, as the site had lost its significance as a pilgrimage station by the time the graffito was created. This suggests that the tradition of veneration at Shivta may have persisted among Armenians, and that they may have preferred less-traveled routes for their pilgrimage journeys.

"Overall, the Armenian graffito from Shivta provides valuable insight into the pilgrimage routes and practices of Armenians in the Holy Land, connecting major holy sites in central and northern Palestine with the Sinai Peninsula.<ref>{{cite book |title="Le texte grec des récits du moine Anastase sur les saints pères duSinaï"}}</ref><ref name= YTYT/>"

For ref name= YTYT see the article. Arminden (talk) 01:20, 20 July 2025 (UTC)