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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the first black female candidate for a major party's U.S. presidential nomination, Shirley Chisholm(campaign poster pictured), is largely credited for paving the way for future candidates Barack Obama and Kamala Harris?
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
New GA, looks good. Why not add a pic? I can't verify the first hook off the link "in my region", but it hardly seems a surprising statement. Can someone help? I don't much like the 2nd hook, & the source doesn't exactly back it up, using "may" and saying "The color purple has several possible meanings, including symbolizing bipartisanship and paying homage to the suffragette movement, according to Insider's Amanda Krause...". I'm now ok with sourcing for both hooks, but the facts must be in the article. Johnbod (talk) 23:35, 13 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, @Johnbod. I'm new to DYK, I didn't know they could have an image. I'll look into adding one. As for the sourcing of the two hooks, I added some additional verifying sources. ––FormalDudetalk00:46, 14 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
"when Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton staged their historic "firsts" battle – where the victor would either be the first major-party African-American nominee, or the first woman nominee – with at least one observer crediting Chisholm's 1972 campaign as having paved the way for both of them" isn't really the same as "Shirley Chisholm is largely credited for paving the way for future nominees Barack Obama and Kamala Harris", is it? Johnbod (talk) 04:04, 14 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Let me state the problem more clearly. Both hooks mention Harris, but the only text in the article mentioning her is "Kamala Harris recognized Chisholm's presidential campaign by using a similar typography and red-and-yellow color scheme in her own 2020 presidential campaign's promotional materials and logo.[101] Harris launched her presidential campaign 47 years to the day after Chisholm's presidential campaign.[102]" - which contains neither hook fact. Johnbod (talk) 11:09, 16 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
For ALT2, the CBS source works for Harris, but for the first one on Lee: a) I can't get it to play, probably because of geography or it's just too old, & b) the pod source itself doesn't look WP:RS to me, unless it's an interview with Lee maybe. Maybe someone with access could check it. But I think the new CBS source is enough for the original hook, which previously lacked Harris I think. Lee is mentioned in the article, so that's ok. Johnbod (talk) 02:43, 28 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Johnbod: The podcast source for Lee is an interview; it mentions Lee is a guest. The podcast description also states "We learn about how Congresswoman Lee’s political career was shaped by working with the Black Panthers and on Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm’s historical presidential campaign." ––FormalDudetalk07:37, 28 December 2021 (UTC)Reply