Talk:Shabbona

Merger

The article history (which is short) for the merged content that came from the redirect at Shabonee can be found here. IvoShandor 22:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Name translation

Have anyone come across the name translation of "Shabbona" other than the "built strong like a bear" or "built like a bear" as neither "strong" (zongen/zong’-) nor "bear" (mko/-ko) is found in his name. With that name translation, I would have expected the name to look more like Zongko (Oj: Zoongikwa), but all the recorded spelling variations are rather consistent with the "Shaw-bo-neh" pronunciation, which means the recorded name translation is in error or only part of the name was recorded, causing a mismatch between the recorded Anishinaabe name and the recorded translation of the Anishinabe name. CJLippert (talk) 17:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I haven't seen any other translation, multiple references to the built like bear name but no other. I don't think inserting "supposedly" is a very good tactic, and probably a bit too OR-esque, I'd be more comfortable just removing the sentence entirely than I would making personal judgment calls about it, regardless of the knowledge possessed on said topic.IvoShandor (talk) 12:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh yea, I will keep my eyes open for any other references. IvoShandor (talk) 12:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Edited "which supposedly means" to "which was recorded to mean" as this will shift the emphasis from what the name means to how it was recorded. CJLippert (talk) 16:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good, hope I wasn't too harsh.IvoShandor (talk) 17:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

"Remove" is harsh, but not mentioning the name evicerates expectations as well. I think the shift in focus was a much better solution to address the verifiability. On my end, I will scope through what I can find in oral histories to see if there are any clues from that end. CJLippert (talk) 17:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)