Talk:Secular state

Russia and Hungary

Those states requires reference to worship in god in their laws or even constitution. Should they be added to ambiguous states ? 2A01:E0A:401:A7C0:5E:718D:705B:90E0 (talk) 10:10, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

No because belief in god isn’t a religion the american constitution also has this 193.210.166.164 (talk) 15:31, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Armenia, Cyprus and transcontinental countries

Armenia and Cyprus are geographically located in West Asia. Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Russia and Turkey are transcontinental countries, located both in Europe and Asia. All of them except Russia are considered geographically Asian by the United Nations geoscheme. Despite all this, an objecting user keeps adding Armenia in Europe section while adding Cyprus to transcontinental countries section. There is no logical explanation for this.

Before November 2024, all of those countries were listed under transcontinental countries section. On November 7, 2024 an anonymous user moved Armenia to Asia section. The objecting user moved Armenia to Europe section, with an edit summary of "restored- per consensus it can be placed in either Europe or Asia based on the definition used." I'm restoring the situation before this unjustified edit. BSRF (talk) 16:54, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Bangladesh

Hi There is a user who removed Bangladesh from ambigious Bangladesh has both secularism or freedom of religion as in pluralism and state religion. This qualifies as ambiguous country Therefore i request Wikipedia to take action to prevent Bangladesh from being removed in this list thank you ~2025-38806-30 (talk) 08:21, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Malaysia

Hi, Malaysia qualifies as a completely ambigious country as it has both freedom of religion and state religion. As amibigious country requite a country to be confused as a both secular or islamic country, Malaysia directly qualifies as such. However some wikipedia users are still removing Malaysia from its correct list. I advice wikipedia admit to stop this vandalism. Thank you.

(Abrarward) 08:48, 7 April 2026 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abrarward (talk • contribs) 

"Ambiguous countries"--Erring map or erring article?

The "Ambiguous countries" section presently lists three states: Bangladesh, Israel, and Malaysia. Bangladesh and Israel are correctly listed in white on the map, but there are some issues:

1. Malaysia is red, the color for countries with a state religion.
2. Thailand is white, the color for ambiguous countries.
3. Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales are unmentioned, along with two Pacific states that I can't quite identify.

(3) is not a huge issue, though I think there's some meaningful confusion with (1) and (2)--ought to be resolved between the article and the map. I believe the map is more up to date, though I'm not certain and am not expert. Pkoroly (talk) 04:21, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

My understanding is that Scotland (unlike England) does not have a state religion, because the Church of Scotland is not established (as the Church of England is). So should be blue.

The same applies to Wales, where the Church of Wales was disestablished in 1920.

Also, there is a small grey area south of Newfoundland on the map, which I assume is Saint Pierre and Miquelon. As this is a self-governing territory of France it would have, I assume, the same status (i.e. no state religion). Oscar2591 (talk) 19:47, 30 June 2026 (UTC)