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Latest comment: 1 year ago by Alexandermcnabb in topic control over Oman and the UAE

control over Oman and the UAE

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@Alexandermcnabb since you're the guy who knows almost everything about UAE history, do you know anything about the Saudi control over modern-day UAE and/or Oman? 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 09:31, 25 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Oooh, now that's an interesting one. There was significant - at times - Wahhabi influence over the northern Ghafiri tribes (basically the five northern emirates) in the late 18th to 19th centuries but never the southern tribes (Hinawis, including Abu Dhabi, Al Ain and Dubai - and Muscat) - but never formal 'control' as such. And it would have been Wahhabi influence rather than 'Saudi' influence, at that. There was an attempt by the Saudis to formalise their influence over Buraimi in the 1950s, the famous Buraimi dispute but that really didn't end very well at all for them. The Wahhabis never had any role in Oman, Ibadi as you know, although the complex interplay between Hinawi-cleaving and Ghafiri-cleaving tribes meant a constant to and froing in the interior. Whether the Qawasim ever considered themselves Saudi subjects, I would doubt. The relationship with the Saudis was at times close and certainly useful for a number of Qawasim rulers, but there are incidents where Saudi representatives got themselves caught up in tribal politics and ended up getting into hot water. So short answer, no - no control and no formal rule or annexation of any of the territories of present day Oman and the UAE. Hope that helps!!! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:52, 25 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Alexandermcnabb so basically all the maps on commons:Category:Maps of the Second Saudi State are false. Do you think that this old version of this map is more accurate? 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 14:59, 25 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Oh, without a doubt. There is no question whatsoever that this map (the extended one) is complete rubbish. The Trucial States in 1850 were a British protectorate (from, in fact, 1820 onwards) and the Brits didn't sign the 1820 General Maritime Treaty with the Saudi ruler, but the rulers of Southeastern Arabia, who were free to sign such a treaty on their own behalfs - and so clearly not 'Saudi subjects' - while Oman was variously ruled over by the Sultan of Muscat (who was also in treaty relations with the Brits) and the Imam, most certainly not by the Saudis. Sorry I can't offer any input on Qatar, it's not my 'thing'... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:25, 25 May 2025 (UTC)Reply