Talk:Sebouh Nersesian
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Hypothesis that Arshag Nersesian s massacre in Bayburt
[edit]18 dec 1917 Arshag and his friends blame to be robbed and killed 193 person in Bayburt Cavusoglu Hotel. some of them skinned and stabbed some of them killed by axes and knifes
Bayburt Ermeni Mezalimi - Bayburt Manşet Haber Sitesi Can b vargul (talk) 08:57, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
- I don't see any indication in the source that this is about Sebouh Nersesian; only the name 'Arshak' is given. This also seems like an WP:EXCEPTIONAL claim that needs more reliable sourcing than a local news website. Revolution Saga (talk) 17:44, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
- if u check carefully u ll see the name 'arshak pasha' gonna add Engilish sources as well.for details try to auto- translate the page in source Can b vargul (talk) 14:11, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- TUBA-978-625-8352-71-9_ch07.pdf Can b vargul (talk) 14:14, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- 61- bds_ermenilerin_katliam_fotograflari.pdf some of these photos taken in bayburt sabutan village . villagers women and kids killed by sebuh arshak nersesian . it s classified by Turkish defence ministry all in archive
- Can b vargul (talk) 14:43, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- The second source you gave doesn't say anything about Arshak/Sebouh Nersesian and is also explicitly denying the Armenian Genocide, so it should probably be avoided. I checked some Armenian sources (Sebouh's own memoirs: Էջեր իմ յուշերէն, vol. 1, Boston, 1925, and Ashot Nersisyan's biography: Զորավար Սեպուհ, Էդիթ Պրինտ, Yerevan, 2005) and it partially confirms what is stated in the source Millî Mücadele Döneminde Bayburt / Bayburt During the National Struggle. Sebouh Nersesian admits in his memoirs that some of his troops were undisciplined and committed robberies and murders, which he was unable to get under control. He also states that he ordered a few hundred Turks (the population was rising up to aid the Ottoman army's attack) to be confined to the prison called Tashkhana (taşhane?) (Nersisyan, Զորավար Սեպուհ, 2005, p. 217; Էջեր իմ յուշերէն, pp. 465-466). Then before retreating, he ordered the burning of the Tashkhana and the munitions and supplies stored in the city, which, Sebouh writes, "meant the burning of the whole city" (Nersisyan, Զորավար Սեպուհ, 2005, p. 218; Էջեր իմ յուշերէն, pp. 471). I'll add this information and note that contemporary Ottoman military reports (the ones cited in Millî Mücadele Döneminde Bayburt) say that the death toll in Bayburt exceeded 800. Revolution Saga (talk) 19:07, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- thank u for the extra information 'Taşhane'/'taşmağaza' was another says for the stone shops(shops made from stones) in bayburt.Most of them r jewelery shops. u can think it s like a mall.
- The second source you gave doesn't say anything about Arshak/Sebouh Nersesian and is also explicitly denying the Armenian Genocide, so it should probably be avoided. I checked some Armenian sources (Sebouh's own memoirs: Էջեր իմ յուշերէն, vol. 1, Boston, 1925, and Ashot Nersisyan's biography: Զորավար Սեպուհ, Էդիթ Պրինտ, Yerevan, 2005) and it partially confirms what is stated in the source Millî Mücadele Döneminde Bayburt / Bayburt During the National Struggle. Sebouh Nersesian admits in his memoirs that some of his troops were undisciplined and committed robberies and murders, which he was unable to get under control. He also states that he ordered a few hundred Turks (the population was rising up to aid the Ottoman army's attack) to be confined to the prison called Tashkhana (taşhane?) (Nersisyan, Զորավար Սեպուհ, 2005, p. 217; Էջեր իմ յուշերէն, pp. 465-466). Then before retreating, he ordered the burning of the Tashkhana and the munitions and supplies stored in the city, which, Sebouh writes, "meant the burning of the whole city" (Nersisyan, Զորավար Սեպուհ, 2005, p. 218; Էջեր իմ յուշերէն, pp. 471). I'll add this information and note that contemporary Ottoman military reports (the ones cited in Millî Mücadele Döneminde Bayburt) say that the death toll in Bayburt exceeded 800. Revolution Saga (talk) 19:07, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
thats the place people held before they r sent to 'cavusoglu' hotel. if you want to read turkish sources here s the book told the story of bayburt (and about nersisyan)
- Ermeni Mezalimi (Prof.Dr. Veysel Eroğlu) Fiyatı, Yorumları, Satın Al - Kitapyurdu.com
- the writer depends it s story to witnesses and woundeds
- even it s not my 'phd' like to check the whole story from all sources. the link that u share s not opening something wrong.