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@Dcpoliticaljunkie Hello! I noticed that you recently removed a paragraph about the fundraising done by Elfreth's 2024 congressional campaign, and was wondering why you think this paragraph is not appropriate for BLP. I based that paragraph on a similar paragraph on Glenn Ivey's page (and can see a similar paragraph exists Wesley Bell's page) about AIPAC's contributions to Ivey's 2022 congressional campaign. I could try rewording it to only talk about her campaign contributions from AIPAC, as those pages do, but I still think the paragraph is appropriate for the page. Y2hyaXM (talk) 02:57, 22 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I also think it would be appropriate to reuse the sentences from that paragraph in her political positions section, as she defends her AIPAC/corporate contributions by saying she would support the For The People Act and similar campaign finance reforms while in Congress. But that's only if the paragraph as originally written is not restored as is. Y2hyaXM (talk) 03:02, 22 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Hi there - apologies, I mostly edit Wikipedia during slow moments at work and I forgot to reply to this. I generally object to using routing fundraising to WP:SYNTH some sort of connection. Even if a few reporters chose to write about the fundraising, it generally violates WP:DUE on a WP:BLP. I think Bell is a unique case given how central (and widely reported) that angle was in his primary but I'd want to review the Ivey one as well. No objection to including her Israel stance in political positions (as long as we don't try to SYNTH a connection to fundraising) and no objection to noting her supporting the For the People Act there as well. In terms of fundraising and any impact it had on her race, I continue to think it belongs at 2024 United States House of Representatives elections in Maryland#District 3. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 19:40, 4 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
Got it. I've adjusted Elfreth's page to include the sentences about her being the only candidate to continue accepting corporate campaign contributions and supporting the For the People Act. I have also moved the sentences about her receiving AIPAC support to the 2024 US House of Representatives elections in Maryland page. Y2hyaXM (talk) 21:21, 4 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
You need to explain your view of how it's a BLP violation to mention the facts of significant outside campaign spending on a politician's behalf. Glenn Ivey even openly thanked AIPAC for their help. Theofunny (talk) 11:17, 13 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
Let's see how "undue" and cherry picked and not covered by nation press it is:
It's a BLP so ONUS is on you to get a consensus. We don't go in depth into fundraising on candidate articles, that belongs on the election article if its due. Nobody is denying fundraising numbers but it's undue in a encyclopedia article about her. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 19:57, 14 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
In my view, standard run-of-the-mill campaign finance reporting numbers do not belong on a candidate's article, but I can see a reason to include widely reported information about a candidate's fundraising, such as whether they heavily self-financed their campaign (David Trone, April McClain Delaney, Shri Thanedar, etc.) or if they received substantial outside support from groups like AIPAC (Glenn Ivey, Sarah Elfreth, Wesley Bell). That's why I felt a little confused when you kept reverting my edits, and a little surprised when you said it was a violation of WLP and DUE to include it. Y2hyaXM (talk) 20:12, 14 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
We agree to some extent. As I said before, I don't think it's necessarily inappropriate when it comes to someone like Bell (or, for that matter, Bush) given how central it was to their campaign and widely reported.
I don't think the same applies to a fairly run-of-the-mill campaign like this. Picking and choosing one interest group seems WP:UNDUE to me, especially when combined with an excessive interest in adding disproportionate coverage on the topic. It's an attempt to WP:SYNTH a connection between the donations and their positions. We don't do this when realtors, personal injury lawyers, etc. get behind a candidate and we shouldn't here either.
My general standard is that if the living person were to die tragically today and a long-form obituary is published, would this make the cut? I'd argue that in this and Ivey's case, support from one of many constituencies in one election would not. However, fundraising is appropriate in the relevant election articles. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 20:27, 14 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
I'd think your average Wikipedia article is more in-depth than an obituary, yeah?
I disagree with your description of the role AIPAC played in the elections involving Ivey and Elfreth. AIPAC's contributions were included in multiple headlines about the Democratic primary between Ivey and Donna Edwards in 2022 (The Times of Israel, HuffPost, JNS, Roll Call, Maryland Matters, and The Intercept. The contributions were also mentioned by The Washington Post, CNN, and the New York Times, though not in the article's headline. The only article to describe the race as being influenced by something other than AIPAC is Jewish Insider.) and Elfreth vs. the 21 other Democrats in the race in 2024 (see all of the sources provided by Theofunny). The documentation of these dark money contributions on Wikipedia aren't limited to just AIPAC's contributions, though -- just look at Angela Alsobrooks, where the issue of developer contributions was raised in her 2018 election, her first term, and her 2022 reelection; or Bernie Moreno, which mentions the crypto industry spending $40M in support of Moreno's campaign because they considered Sherrod Brown to be adversarial to the crypto industry.
I would say the Alsobrooks situation is an egregious WP:SYNTH violation and I'll tackle that when I have a chance. For Moreno, we're talking about one sentence. These are not analogous to the long paragraphs taking up the bulk of a section we're discussing here.
I agree this should be longer than a standard obituary, of course. That's why I specified long-form. While we should provide a more detail on each topic, I do think it's a good analogy.
It's a bit confusing to discuss two articles here. However, I'd note that Times of Israel and JNS would, of course, focus on that while Huffington Post and Intercept are both considered biased sources which should be used with care on a BLP. Roll Call is the equivalent of trade media leaving only a local news blog which provides lots of undue detail for Ivey. Similarly, on this article, most of the coverage is simply noting the endorsement. Articles like that exist for every major endorsement. Doesn't make it due. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 14:42, 17 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
