Talk:Sankt Valentin

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Requested move 5 April 2026

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The result of the move request was: moved. Moved to Sankt Valentin per consensus. Unanimous support for some kind of move, and I'm seeing stronger arguments for "Sankt" than "St" here. There also seems to be a mix of the two used as article titles, so no particular preference for WP:CONSISTENT for now. (closed by non-admin page mover) {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs}} 08:18, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

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St. Valentin → St. Valentin, AustriaSt. Valentin, Austria – When an article has a hatnote almost as long as the main content then you know it's not really the primary topic -- redirect to the dab at Saint Valentin. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:10, 5 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. ⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley$\lor$investigateᛅ} 01:37, 12 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 07:32, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

I've shortened the hatnote to link only to Saint Valentin (disambiguation). Ham II (talk) 16:50, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

Move to Sankt Valentin instead per WP:NATURAL. FromCzech (talk) 09:54, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

This would run counter to the consensus established at Talk:St. Pölten#Requested move 25 January 2026. I personally don't care at all whether "Sankt" or "St." is used, though. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:06, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of the 25 January RM when I contributed to Talk:Sankt Aegidi § Requested move 16 February 2026, which is still live. I was in favour of "Sankt" there, and I still think that is the most informative option, but if there were found to be more usage of "St." that might be more persuasive for some.

I certainly think St. Valentin and Saint Valentin should not have different targets (as they do now), because for English speakers "St." followed by a name is most often an abbreviation for the English word "Saint", not the German word "Sankt". Every Saint Foo, St. Foo and St Foo link should have the same target. MOS:PARTSAINT could do with an overhaul, and this would be a good thing to include there. Ham II (talk) 16:31, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

You would be shocked to learn that there are currently around 500 cases where "St. Foo" points to a different place than "Saint Foo". Which is way more than I have the energy to deal with. I've been slowly trying to tackle things like this via the User:Pppery/Names project, but when I have the same reaction as you and actually run the query resulting in a backlog that size I tend to give up. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:55, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

@Pppery: Interesting! What do you use to do that, and can you give a link to the query? Ham II (talk) 17:07, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

I use a series of ugly self-written queries and bits of python code running on wikitech:PAWS, which I then export into a text file and another Python script on my own computer which I feed into AutoWikiBrowser via Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/User_manual#External. The code is at https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/46222050/Ad-Hoc/namesim.ipynb and https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/46222050/Ad-Hoc/namesim-Copy1.ipynb but it's really in no state for someone else to use. Anyway the actual list of mistmatches for "Saint" I've now set up at quarry:query/101154 (less than I had remembered because I had fixed about 50 of them manually before moving on to other parts of the Names project) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:19, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

The fact that the name is not the primary topic in this particular case was not discussed. It was a mass nomination. The first sentence of WP:NATURAL justifies the move to "Sankt", even though St. is slightly more preferred. FromCzech (talk) 16:34, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

• Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:22, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
• Support per nom and also FromCzech's proposal. Both work. I prefer Sankt Valentin. Srnec (talk) 00:35, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
• Move to Sankt Valentin as that's shorter. There's no consensus for settling on "Sankt" or "St." across Austria (Carinthian and Lower Austrian were moved to "St." while Upper Austrian places remained at "Sankt") and consistency across Lower Austria (what the mass RM established) doesn't really matter. Note that the article currently claims without references that the place is known as Saint Valentin. I looked for English-language news articles using this spelling and couldn't find any. Mentions of "Saint" should be changed to "Sankt" but I'll wait until this RM closes. Joe vom Titan (talk) 13:08, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

  I've just discovered Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Austria), which says "In the absence of a common English name, the current local spelling of towns and cities, including any accents, is used by convention in Wikipedia e.g. Sankt Pölten." That isn't explicitly about the use of "Sankt", though, and that specific recommendation has been undone by Talk:St. Pölten § Requested move 25 January 2026. Ham II (talk) 15:20, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

  That page also recommends using "provinces" for the Bundesländer which is contrary to long-standing consensus (see Talk:States of Austria). Joe vom Titan (talk) 17:20, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Austria and WikiProject Cities have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 07:34, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

I live here. As we use British/European punctuation in English here we usually spell it St Valentin (pronounced Saint) in English, but St. Valentin in German (pronounced Sankt). ~2026-25473-56 (talk) 21:59, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

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