Talk:Samuel Leeds
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Feedback from New Page Review process
[edit]I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thanks for creating this biography for Leeds, which has also now been worked on by several other editors. I note also that you've refuted a COI claim on your talk page - thanks for engaging with this. As with any article about a contentious living person, we need to be careful to ensure that any claims are expressed in a neutral way and well-supported by sources. My reading of the current version is that this is the case, but this is a matter that is likely to need ongoing care.
"Leeds currently rents a house on Palm Jumeirah."
[edit]The source seems to link to his X/Twitter account, but I can't find a reference to this. I'm going to remove it. If anyone sees something that I am missing then please feel free to re-add it. Puffin123 (talk) 00:35, 25 June 2026 (UTC).
Birth Date Instagram Source
[edit]Companies House has Samuel's birth date listed as April 1991. I have used Instagram to determine that his exact birth date is 11 April 1991. I appreciate that Instagram is a contentious source, but that it is considered acceptable for proving basic information such as birthdays. Puffin123 (talk) 14:31, 25 June 2026 (UTC).
- I have asked at the Teahouse if using Instagram to determine a birthday is acceptable and have been told that it is. Puffin123 (talk) 10:20, 30 June 2026 (UTC).
"His courses are not regulated by any professional body."
[edit]I removed the sentence above. In the Hansard (https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2024-11-21/debates/DC2120EF-C6C9-4BC9-A263-507ACFC8FC08/StrategicLawsuitsAgainstPublicParticipation?highlight=samuel%20leeds#contribution-7395D23E-8849-4DA9-BC4B-EC8B164E47D8) Rachel Gilmour MP claims that "his courses did not appear to be regulated by any professional or governmental body". He also has released a YouTube short (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jLzxycYhgmE) in which he talks about his courses not being regulated by the government. Are these sources strong enough for the sentence to be re-included? Puffin123 (talk) 18:36, 26 June 2026 (UTC).
- The YouTube is a primary source, and User-generated content, generally unacceptable. Refer to WP:RS, and WP:V AAARC (talk) 19:51, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
Edit disputes
[edit]@Puffin123 Whatever mistakes you see in my editing, kindly mention here point by point, and I will answer them to the best of my knowledge and understanding. Again, please abstain from editing the page any further until we reach a consensus. Thanks AAARC (talk) 19:41, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
I have removed the first paragraph from "Early life and career"
[edit]The first paragraph from "Early life and career" contains three claims: 1) That Leeds' mother worked as a hairdresser. 2) That his step-father worked as an accountant. 3) That he has an older brother. 4) That he has a younger sister.
Whilst these claims are almost certainly true, according to WP:SELFSOURCE
Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as the following criteria are met:
The material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim.
It does not involve claims about third parties (such as people, organizations, or other entities).
It does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject.
There is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity.
The Wikipedia article is not based primarily on such sources.
These requirements also apply to pages from social networking websites such as X, Tumblr, and Facebook. Use of self-sourced material should be minimal; the great majority of any article must be drawn from independent sources.
I am of the opinion that the first two claims are about third parties, the third claim is referenced elsewhere in the article (his elder brother is his business partner) and the fourth claim is not that relevant to the article.
Therefore I am deleting the first paragraph. If anyone has any objections to this I am of course open to discussion.
Puffin123 (talk) 20:23, 29 June 2026 (UTC).
- @Puffin123 I don't understand as to why you are not engaging in the discussion to reach consensus? And why can't you hold back from editing the page until we can reach a consensus?
- As for the above:
- Firstly, any policy mention should be linked, for example WP:SELFSOURCE
- Secondly, the reason it can't be applied for Samuel is "There is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity." We both would agree that he is a controversial figure. We both agree on the controversy section. If so, then there is a enough reasonable doubt, in my opinion, not to accept his official and social medias as RS.
- Kindly, do answer this for me as well. I based all of my edits on rigorous standards of WP:RS, and WP:V, and avoided all questionable sources, which for such figures should be avoided. Then why are you unwilling to accept them. Note: Please, please refrain from editing any further, until we settle this and reach a consensus. Thank you.
- AAARC (talk) 07:08, 30 June 2026 (UTC)