Talk:Sambuvarayar

Sambuvarayar Dynasty

Vanniyar and Palli

Please don not push your opinion that the ancient term vanniyar (meaning warrior/chieftain) is synonymous with the modern usage for the Vanniyar/Palli caste. That is merely an origin myth propagated by vain members of that caste since the 19th century and, despite assertions that were once in various articles, Noboru Karashima has been explicit in saying it is dodgy to connect the two. - Sitush (talk) 06:48, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

See, for example, here. - Sitush (talk) 07:47, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Have u read Noboru Karashima's South Indian Society in Transition??He clearly says that the sambuvarayas belong to the "Palli" Jati in that book.How did you arrive to the conclusion that its an origin myth?.Your example doesn't even mention about sambuvarayas.Do you even know tamil?

Read Noboru Karashima's work or do a research and prove him otherwise.Modern usage??since when?Have you gone through at least the copper plate grants released by the palli people??

Sambuvarayas and Palli Jati

Noboru Karashima in his book Ancient to Medieval:South Indian Society in Transition has stated on Page Number 143 and I quote,'Ammaiyappan Pandyan Naralokavirapperaiyan of Sengeni,who may be identified with Rajendrachola Sambuvarayan apperaring in the next Siyamangalam inscription,is stated to be a Kudipalli of Munnuru in Vijayarajendra-valanadu.and the term Kudipalli would show that he belonged to a group of landholding (Kudi) Pallis '

Sitush have you even seen that book????

Page vandalisation

This page is repeatedly being vandalised by a user named Rajadhirajan. Minakshi Pillai (talk) 16:26, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

Page vandalisation

Hi, change protection settings for Sambuvarayar [Edit=Allow only administrators] . All castes have written books claiming rights to ancient kings. Do not include them in the article. The information is not complete in the books - most of the information is the authors' own words and poor sources. Caste pride content should also be prevented from occurring. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajadhirajan (talk • contribs) 18:18, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

I have quoted from books by eminent historians - Noboru Karashima and MS Govindasamy - your actions seem to have a hidden agenda. Moderators please look into this guy. Minakshi Pillai (talk) 18:47, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

Vanniyar/Palli origin identification

Noting that a non-WP:XC editor raised concerns about the claim The Sambuvarayas belonged to the Vanniyar community, I investigated the supporting citations: Govindasamy, M.S (1979). The Role of Feudatories in Later Chola History, epigraphia indica, and Noboru 2009. It seems that Noboru 2009 supports the claim, stating In the thirteenth century [the Pallis] established their power as chiefly families in the North Arcot, South Arcot, and Chingleput districts, like the Kadavarayas and the Sambuvarayas.” I would note, however, that the Epigraphia Indica v.28 appears to be a WP:RAJ source originally published in the 1920s (I had some trouble navigating the scan and did not check if it confirms the claim beyond noting this issue with its underlying reliability), and I am unable to find any digital copies of Govindasamy 1979 (although citations in other accessible texts do at least appear to confirm that it is a real source). _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:57, 20 November 2025 (UTC)