Talk:Sambucus

Flu remedy

Latest Medicinal Section looks dubious 76.66.12.232 (talk) 09:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. Thom has a long history of "proving" that various miracle cremes and pills "work"; see e.g. http://blog.tjomlid.com/?p=848 (in norwegian) 92.105.196.118 (talk) 09:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I've trimmed the section back to something that I hope meets WP:MEDRS. Can someone search for reviews and similar sources that would be due more weight than just individual studies? --Ronz (talk) 15:57, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

New research published shows some interation between the extract and the influenza virus — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanadianChemist (talk • contribs) 18:54, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

References

The latest I am reading from PubMed shows efficacy against upper respiratory tract infections. Since the link in the article is from 6 years ago, there is more recent data available: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30670267 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28198157—Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.7.217.207 (talk) 21:18, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 29 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 17:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Sambucus → ElderberryElderberry – per WP:COMMONNAME. Analogous to such main title headers as Cherry, Strawberry, Raspberry, Blueberry, Cranberry or, for that matter, Apple, Pear, Peach, Plum, etc. A similar nomination for Salmonberry at Talk:Rubus spectabilis#Requested move 11 February 2024 was unsuccessful. —. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:40, 29 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BD2412 T 18:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support: I'm a little surprised to hear about Salmonberry, but I note that elderberry may be likely to be more widely familiar, as it is widely cultivated and has become a popular folk medicine, and Elton John popularly highlighted that wine can be made from it. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:18, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. There are several similar species/subspecies - all called elderberry - having WP articles, such as Sambucus nigra, Sambucus canadensis, and Sambucus cerulea (many others under Taxonomy). Per WP:NCFLORA, we're better off leaving this individually as the genus name. Zefr (talk) 02:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

So the whole genus is called elderberry – is that necessarily a problem? Don't we have other examples of a common name applying to a genus? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 06:23, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Referring to WP:FLORATITLES for similar applications. Zefr (talk) 15:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I note that Frog is the vernacular name for everything in the entire order Anura. That doesn't seem to be a problem. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:25, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Food and drink has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support for consistency with various other well-known taxa, as noted. ╠╣uw [talk] 11:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Plants has been notified of this discussion. Declangi (talk) 11:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:NCFLORA. Furthermore in my experience the vernacular name is more commonly elder rather than elderberry. Lavateraguy (talk) 13:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: In most popular usage of the term brings up the European species. Hardyplants (talk) 19:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: as Hardyplants notes above, the most common use is for a single species. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:11, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting for clearer consensus. BD2412 T 18:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:NCFLORA, most of the examples given are articles the fruits of a group of species not to all of the member of a genus—blindlynx 00:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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What kind of plant?

If the article says what kind of plant it is—tree, bush, or something else—and how large it gets, that information is hidden away somewhere. It should be easy to find. 38.49.72.163 (talk) 21:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)