Talk:Samba

Samba- Variants and Historical Developments Valorization

The page downplays the historical importance of the state of Bahia in the foundation of Samba, as it first definition present of Samba, is of "Carioca Urban Samba", which implies that this is the true definition of Samba, which while mentioned several times seems to portray two differnt styles, while samba is actually a collection of several variations, as there is no single uniform Samba style.

Before bringing the Ethnomusicologist definitions of Samba, I bring 'Riachão das Neves' famous singer testimony that, present here at 08:10, in which the best known TV channel in Brazil, called him in to answer the matter of what is the origin of Samba, he recalls that while the other Singer Called Batatinha said that there were several songs coming from Rio on the Radio, he brought a "crioulo" (his words) from Santo-Amaro, known by several ethnomusicologists to be the birthplace of Samba, such as cited by several sources, 1 , 2 , to play a piece of Samba de Roda, which has an important notoriety for the development of Samba as whole, I.e the Unesco own recognition of Samba de Roda as an Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity, as a response for the question of the origins of Samba.

Furthermore I would like to state that Samba de Roda is a Variant of Samba as much as Urban Samba of Rio, or even the Urban Samba of Salvador, for that matter. For this reason I propose a restructuring of this page taking into account the variants of Samba such as Samba Duro, Samba Afro and Samba de Caboclo, the Urban Samba of Salvador, which was in many moments even more famous locally than Rio's Urban form of Samba, especially in the 80-90's with Gera-Samba, Caetano Veloso, Gilberto Gil, Key figures in contemporary Samba which are from Bahia.

To have the page define Samba as Urban Samba from Rio is disrespectful and inconsiderate to other forms of Samba, and even inconsistent with other pages of Brazilian Rhythms, such as the Samba-Reggae Page which starts with : "These Afro-Brazilians played a major role in the early development of samba, which first took form in a Bahian style of dance and music called "samba de roda", probably in the late 19th century. Samba de roda was brought to Rio de Janeiro by Bahians around 1900, where it was combined with harmonic and rhythmic elements from European influences (such as chorinho and military marches). [...]The paradoxical result was that samba was brought back to Bahia from Rio, but now in a highly altered form, and no longer associated with Afro-Brazilians. Thus, in the mid-20th century, the city of Salvador had many samba schools that were modeled on the samba schools of Rio, as well as blocos (informal street percussion groups), both of which performed Rio-style samba in Carnival parades every year. Yet, ironically, black Brazilians did not participate in these Carnival parades or in the blocos, since they were not allowed to participate. Samba-reggae represents an effort by black Brazilians to develop a Carnival parade music that they could call their own, and to form all-black or mostly-black blocos with which they could parade during Carnival. The afro bloco music was very different because they aimed to recreate and strengthen their community through their music."- Wikipedias English Samba-Reggae Page Where it is explicit that the white-washing of Samba happened in Rio, and Samba-Reggae tried to recover the African influence. However Samba-Reggae wasn't the only form of Samba done in Bahia, as there was other forms such as Samba duro, Samba de Caboclo and other forms of Samba such as Pagode, Pagode Baiano or Pagodão, and the Samba Junino, which is part of Salvador Cultural Heritage .

While each variant of Samba could merit it's own page, this is the main page for Samba, and it does not make sense for one variant to supplant others as the "official version" of Samba RodolfoVisconde (talk) 19:34, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

"primitive rural samba" is a prime example of prejudice within the article. The rural Samba is still significant part of Bahian Lore, (see sources in many topic), and the term primitive does not apply at all RodolfoVisconde (talk) 19:57, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

You've wrecked the clarity (and the grammar) of the lead. I appreciate that your efforts are in good faith, but what exactly was wrong with calling this a music genre rather than "a name or prefix for several rhythmic variants", whatever that's supposed to mean? The UNESCO stuff also isn't part of the definition; it would still be what it is with or without international recognition. It can come later in the article. WP Ludicer (talk) 17:47, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

What Whoever Created the Infobox for this Lazy?

The infobox doesn't have all of the subgenres and ends with "among others". Some of the subgenres that are listed don't even have their own pages on Wikipedia! 2600:6C5A:417F:794E:C8FF:8BB3:7DF9:BBB4 (talk) 01:56, 4 January 2024 (UTC)