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Latest comment: 8 months ago by Likeanechointheforest in topic Request Edits for November 2025

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Latest comment: 9 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Can't tell if the Ross Valory website copied this article, or the article copied the Valory website. No sources are given here despite WP:BLP, and the Valory website doesn't indicate Wikipedia as a source or give attribution per the CC license. It's safest to mark the page for copyvio. -- Mikeblas (talk) 01:44, 7 November 2016 (UTC)Reply

The mouthman.com website was edited today to eliminate any copyright issue. Use this link to compare: https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Ross+Valory&oldid=743712297&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mouthman.com%2Fpages%2Fabout-us

This page should be reinstated as their is no copyright violation. We at mouthman.com made these changes to address this issue. It should be noted that nZilla, LLC, the company that owns Mouthman.com is owned by Ross Valory so there was never a violation in the first place. Mouthmandotcom (talk) 06:50, 24 November 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mouthmandotcom (talk • contribs) 06:40, 24 November 2016 (UTC) Mouthmandotcom (talk) 06:50, 24 November 2016 (UTC)Reply

The nZilla LLC copyright is not compatible with the CC BY-SA 3.0 License or the GFDL. -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:56, 18 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Request Edits for October 2025

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Latest comment: 9 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I have suggestions to improve this page by adding reliable sources for verification the warning template on top of the article. I intend to break the request into 2 phases to keep it to a reasonable length for reviewers. I have a conflict of interest as a consultant for WhiteHatWiki, hired by the subject of this article. I am submitting a proposal here, as instructed by Wikipedia FAQs and WP:PAID. Thanks.

1. Please replace the first paragraph of the lead section.

Ross Lamont Valory (born February 2, 1949)[1] is an American musician who is best known as the original bass player for the rock band Journey from 1973 to 1985 and again from 1995 to 2020. Valory was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of Journey in 2017.[2]

Please replace with:

Ross Lamont Valory (born 1949)[3] is an American musician who is best known as a founding member of the rock band Journey.[4] He was the bassist for the band from 1973 to 1985 and again from 1995 to 2020.[4] Valory was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of Journey in 2017.[5]

Why: I’ve provided missing sources for the sentence about Valory’s years in Journey. I’ve also replaced two primary sources with two secondary sources

2. Please create a new “Early life” section directly after the Lead section and move the first three sentences of the first paragraph of the Career section to become the first paragraph section.

Here’s what that would look like with the existing first paragraph of the Career section:

Early life

Ross Valory was born on February 2, 1949, in San Francisco, California.[6] He grew up in Lafayette, California, and attended Acalanes High School. In high school, he played clarinet, bass clarinet and guitar. His mother introduced him to jazz, particularly Dave Brubeck.[7]

Why: Early life sections are standard on Wikipedia biographies.

3. Please replace the second and third sentences of the first paragraph of the new Early life section:

He grew up in Lafayette, California, and attended Acalanes High School. In high school, he played clarinet, bass clarinet and guitar. His mother introduced him to jazz, particularly Dave Brubeck.[7]

Please replace with:

He attended Acalanes High School in Lafayette, California.[8] Growing up, he played piano, clarinet and guitar, and taught himself how to play bass during his sophomore year of high school.[9]

Why: The sentence cites an unreliable source - a video interview uploaded to YouTube. I have suggested a replacement that cites reliable secondary sources. I rewrote the second of the sentences so it was a similar topic and reflected a valid source.

4. Please replace the first paragraph of the Career section:

He played with Frumious Bandersnatch followed by Steve Miller Band appearing on Rock Love.[10] He was joined by guitarist David Denny, drummer Jack King and bassist Bobby Winkelman, all of whom would become members of the Steve Miller Band.[11] It was Jim Nixon, the manager of Frumious Bandersnatch, who would introduce Valory to Journey band members, along with Prairie Prince, later of The Tubes who originally sat in on drums.[7][12] Valory later joined the Golden Gate Rhythm Section which was later renamed to Journey.[12]

Please replace with:

Valory began his career playing with the band Frumious Bandersnatch before joining the Steve Miller Band in the early 1970’s.[9] Valory released one album with the group.[13] In 1973, Valory and fellow Frumious Bandersnatch member George Tickner joined with Neal Schon and Santana’s Prairie Prince and Gregg Rolie to form Journey.[14]

Why: The existing paragraph offers no details about dates, which are an important element of a biography. My suggested version uses reporting in reliable sources to flesh out the chronology of Valory’s early career. I have also tweaked the language to reflect the information given in the new sources.

5. Please replace the first sentence of the second paragraph of the Career section:

Valory has played on all of Journey's albums except 1986's Raised on Radio[15] and 2022's Freedom.

Please replace with:

Through 2011, Valory played on all of Journey's albums, except 1986's Raised on Radio.[15]

Why: The existing version cites a source halfway through the sentence but does not cite a source for the second claim made. I’ve omitted the unsourced claim about 2022 and rephrased the sentence so it is factually correct as of 2011, the date the source was published.

6. Please remove the second sentence of the second paragraph of the Career section:

For Raised on Radio, he was replaced on bass in the studio by Bob Glaub on three songs, while the remaining songs were played by Randy Jackson, who also played on the subsequent tour.

Why: The existing sentence is unsourced but is also not about Valory. These are albums he did not play on. This page is about Valory's career, not a chronology of the band when he wasn’t a member.

Thanks for reviewing. Brucemyboy1212 (talk) 14:45, 20 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Done Likeanechointheforest (talk) 15:49, 20 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Request Edits for November 2025

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Latest comment: 8 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion

This is a second round of suggestions to improve this page by adding reliable sources for verification per the warning template on top of the article. @Likeanechointheforest: reviwed the first round of edits and may want to have a look at these as well. I have a conflict of interest as a consultant for WhiteHatWiki, hired by the subject of this article. I am submitting a proposal here, as instructed by Wikipedia FAQs and WP:PAID. Thanks.

1. Please add the following as the new second sentence of the second paragraph of the Career section (right after “Through 2011, Valory played...)

In 1985, Valory and drummer Steve Smith were dismissed from Journey.[16] After Journey went on hiatus in 1987,[17] Valory, Rolie and Smith formed the band The Storm.[18] The group released the album Storm in September 1991, and in March 1992 went on a national tour with Bryan Adams.[19]

Why: The proposed addition uses reporting in highly reliable sources to flesh out a decade of Valory's career, providing details and context that are not currently in the article.

2. Please rephrase the current third sentence in the second paragraph of the Career section and then add additional paragraphs:

Though he returned to the band when they reformed in 1995,[20] Valory was dismissed from Journey again in 2020, with Jackson replacing him once again on the album.[21]

Please replace with:

Valory rejoined Journey in 1996 when the band reunited for the album Trial by Fire.[16]

And then add:

Valory was nominated for a 1997 Grammy award as a member of Journey for the song When You Love a Woman.[22]

In 2017, Valory was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of Journey.[5] In 2020, Valory and Smith were fired from Journey for a second time for allegedly attempting to take control of the band’s name.[23] Valory filed a countersuit

In 2020, Valory and Smith were fired from Journey for a second time amid a lawsuit alleging they attempted to take control of the band’s name.[23] Valory filed a countersuit against the band and the case was settled amicably in 2021.[23]

Why it should be changed:

The suggested replacement fills in important information including Valory’s Grammy nomination and his induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame; corrects chronological order; and removes off-topic mention of who performed for the band when Valory was not a member as this is not the Journey Wikipedia page. It also adds context around his leaving the band based on reporting in a prominent media source.

3. Please replace what should now be the fifth paragraph of the Career section:

One of Valory's techniques is to string a four-string bass with the bottom four strings of a 5-string set. Thus, instead of the usual E-A-D-G arrangement, his bass is strung as B-E-A-D, which he calls Nashville Tuning.[7] This adds the five string depth to the songs, while allowing the quick fingering of a four-string neck. Valory recorded Escape with an Ovation Magnum II, used a Peavey and a Steinberger for Frontiers, and a Fender Jazz up until the Departure album.[24]

Please replace with:

Valory uses what is commonly referred to as Nashville tuning by stringing his bass B-E-A-D, rather than the more traditional arrangement of E-A-D-G.[9]

Why: The suggested version replaces an unreliable source (a YouTube Q&A) with a reliable source and rewrites it to reflect the information available in the acceptable sources. The second sentence of the current paragraph is removed because it cites an unreliable source (an online discussion forum). My efforts to find a reliable source for that information were unsuccessful.

4. Please replace the what should now be the sixth paragraph of the Career section:

Valory also played for The V.U., The Storm,[25] and the Steve Miller Band.[26]

Please replace with:

Valory has also been a member of the band The VU, which released the 2000 album Phoenix Rising,[27] and has performed with The Sy Klopps Blues Band.[28]

Why: The existing sentence is missing a citation for Valory’s involvement in The VU, which is also misspelled. Since the sentence needs to be edited to include the citation, I have suggested removing the parts about The Storm and Steve Miller Band, since those are already mentioned earlier in the career section. I have also suggested adding information about the Sy Klopps Blues Band based on reporting in a prominent news source.

5. Please remove the warning template at the top of the page:

“This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources”

Why it should be changed:

The revisions I have suggested add reliable secondary sources that were missing. I have also replaced all of the unreliable sources with publications that are reliable. Brucemyboy1212 (talk) 18:40, 11 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

Done Likeanechointheforest (talk) 19:12, 14 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
  1. ↑ "Ross Lamont Valory, Born 02/02/1949 in San Francisco - CaliforniaBirthIndex.org". Californiabirthindex.org. Retrieved 17 August 2018.
  2. ↑ "Inductees: Journey". Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Retrieved 20 December 2016.
  3. ↑ "Journey has followed interesting path". Reading, Pennsylvania: Reading Eagle. December 9, 1984. p. B-6. Retrieved February 26, 2022. The group was formed by Walter Herbert, who recruited Neal Schon and Gregg Rollie, from the group "Santana," and Ross Valory from the Steve Miller Band
  4. 1 2 Harrington, Jim (4 March 2020). "Rock band Journey fires two members after failed 'coup'". Mercury News. Retrieved 1 December 2023.
  5. 1 2 Ivie, Devon (8 April 2017). "Journey's Rock Hall Induction Was Short, and It Could've Been a Little Sweeter". Vulture. Retrieved 1 December 2023.
  6. ↑ Daniels, Neil (2011). The Untold Story of Journey. London: Omnibus. p. 10. ISBN 978-1-84938-657-9.
  7. 1 2 3 4 Bass Musician Magazine Interviews Ross Valory. Bass Musician Magazine. August 27, 2016. Archived from the original on April 28, 2021. Retrieved August 23, 2021 – via YouTube.
  8. ↑ Crooks, Peter (20 March 2020). "City Series: Insider's Guide to Lamorinda". Diablo magazine. Retrieved 1 December 2023.
  9. 1 2 3 Madora, Ryan (21 February 2019). "Bass Players To Know: Ross Valory". No Treble. Retrieved 1 December 2023.
  10. ↑ "Bass Players to Know: Ross Valory". Notreble.com. 21 February 2019.
  11. ↑ Daniels 2011, p. 10.
  12. 1 2 Daniels 2011, pp. 10–11.
  13. ↑ Bashian, Lori (22 April 2023). "Journey celebrates 50th anniversary: Rock band members then and now". FOX News. Retrieved 1 December 2023.
  14. ↑ Lee Simpson, Michael (6 July 2023). "Founding Journey Guitarist George Tickner — Who Left Band to Become a Doctor — Dead at 76". People. Retrieved 1 December 2023.
  15. 1 2 Daniels 2011, p. 79–81.
  16. 1 2 Greene, Andy (5 March 2020). "Flashback: Journey Fire Bassist Ross Valory, Drummer Steve Smith in 1985". Rolling Stone. Retrieved 1 December 2023.
  17. ↑ Pappademas, Alex (5 September 2018). "Steve Perry Walked Away From Journey. A Promise Finally Ended His Silence". New York Times. Retrieved 1 December 2023.
  18. ↑ Triplett III, Ward (1 May 1992). "Storm has long-range forecast". Kansas City Star.
  19. ↑ Trabing, Wally (16 August 1992). "Riding the Storm out in the rock music business". Santa Cruz Sentinel.
  20. ↑ Daniels 2011, p. 100.
  21. ↑ Matthew Neale (May 26, 2020). "Journey announce line-up changes as former bassist Randy Jackson rejoins". Nme.com. Retrieved March 3, 2022.
  22. ↑ "Journey". Billboard. Retrieved 1 December 2023.
  23. 1 2 3 Kreps, Daniel (1 April 2021). "Journey Members Reach 'Amicable Settlement' in Battle Over Band Name". Rolling Stone. Retrieved 1 December 2023.
  24. ↑ "Ross Valory...Journey". Talkbass.com. Retrieved 2 May 2023.
  25. ↑ Daniels 2011, pp. 93–94.
  26. ↑ "Journey has followed interesting path". Reading, Pennsylvania: Reading Eagle. December 9, 1984. p. B-6. Retrieved February 26, 2022. The group was formed by Walter Herbert, who recruited Neal Schon and Gregg Rollie, from the group "Santana," and Ross Valory from the Steve Miller Band
  27. ↑ Burgess, Mick (17 May 2006). "ROSS VALORY – The VU, The Sy Klopps Blues Band etc". Metal Express Radio. Retrieved 1 December 2023.
  28. ↑ Trakin, Roy (26 October 2021). "Herbie Herbert, Longtime Manager of Journey, Dies at 73". Variety. Retrieved 15 December 2023.
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