Talk:Rose Museum

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Hi @Rhudson I have removed your edit as the material added was promotional in tone and sourced primarily to Carnegie, which is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. You're welcome to readd some, but the article should not be an activity and exhibitions catalog. Star Mississippi 01:49, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

I'll also leave this note on your Talk, but with a connection you should not edit the article directly but instead should make edit requests. Star Mississippi 01:50, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

I disagree that the citations were primarily to Carnegie Hall; I cited the New York Times, Broadway World, the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, and several other sources. Also, I'm not sure how it's possible to create an article about the museum at Carnegie Hall without citing Carnegie Hall (??). If you can point to specific language that was overly promotional (which I distinctly tried to avoid), I'll be very happy to change it, but simply reverting the changes seems quite extreme. Can you share examples of similar pages that would serve as a model? The existing article was totally out of date and inaccurate. Our museum is very small, local, and quite niche/specific, so I'm not sure that requesting edits would be helpful, as I'm not sure anyone else would be able to make them. Rhudson (talk) 13:19, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Rhudson

I think you have a misunderstanding of how Wikipedia works. There is no special standing as to who would be "able" to make an edit if the sourcing is available in independent, reliable sources which are available to any editor. While you are discouraged from editing, you can once you make the paid editing disclosure, but it will be a challenge. You will need to establish consensus to add the changes back, and it's possible that may happen but you may not unilaterally do so

Rather than what Carnegie says about the Rose Museum, we need what external sourcing says about the exhibits, about the establishment of the collection. It's possible to include select, notable exhibits that achieved notice but linking to exhibits and Google Culture pages isn't appropriate or acceptable (WP:ELNO) as this is not meant to be a recorded history of the museum's archives to promote visitation to the museum. Please let me know if that's helpful or you need more information. Star Mississippi 03:36, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi: I understand how Wikipedia works and who is "able" to make edits. I merely meant that I highly doubt there would be another editor motivated in any way to correct the many out of date and incorrect statements in the article as it existed.

It seems very strange to say that what an institution says about its collections and their establishment does not constitute a reliable resource. The article on the Metropolitan Museum of Art contains 12 references to Met sources (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Museum_of_Art#References). Furthermore, the section in the Rose Museum article on exhibitions DID reference outside resources, e.g., the New York Times. I would also note that the proposed Rose Museum article was not substantially different from that on the Museum of Modern Art, which (like the Met) contains several citations referring directly to the museum, including the section on Collections, which also contains a list of past exhibits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museum_of_Modern_Art#Collections). This would seem to indicate that perhaps your policies are not consistently applied, but perhaps I am "misunderstanding how Wikipedia works". Rhudson (talk) 14:10, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

No article is perfect. It is quite likely that Met/MoMA may need editing as well. Feel free to make those edits once you've made the paid editing disclosure. We rely on independent sourcing for all articles. Carnegie is reliable, but that doesn't mean the information should necessarily be included. That's why the article links out so if the reader is interested, they can learn more on your own site. This should not be viewed as a piece of your marketing collateral including donor names, mission statements, etc. Star Mississippi 15:44, 7 August 2025 (UTC)