Talk:Richard Kaselowsky

Requested move 7 May 2018

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The result of the move request was: although there is some support for moves, there is no consensus in favor of any particular move at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 19:47, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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• Richard Kaselowsky → Richard Kaselowsky (businessman)
• Richard Kaselowsky (died 1921) → Richard Kaselowsky (politician)

– The subjects here are a father and son. However, it is not clear that the son is more notable than his father for the purposes of claiming WP:PRIMARYTOPIC rights over their shared name, and year of death is not generally an appropriate choice of disambiguator except as an absolute last resort if all other possible options fail — even on DE, where they both have longer articles than they have here and editors are likely to have a much more solid sense of comparative notability due to greater familiarity with the subjects and their sourceability, both titles are disambiguated rather than one being deemed more notable than the other. And although they were both businessmen, the son's notability claim derives from the business career itself, while the father's derives more from being a political officeholder than a businessman per se — so the most appropriate option here is to disambiguate them as "businessman" and "politician", with a dab page at the plain title per WP:TWODABS since neither one has a clear claim to primary topic. Bearcat (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 00:02, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

• Support per detailed nomination. Both articles are stubs and should be equal upon a yet-to-be-created dab page.    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 06:35, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
• Support first, oppose second looks from de:Richard Kaselowsky dab page that all 3 of these are notable. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:06, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
  • de:Richard Kaselowsky (Unternehmer, 1852) (1852–1921), deutscher Unternehmer und Industrieller
  • de:Richard Kaselowsky (Unternehmer, 1888) (1888–1944), deutscher Unternehmer und Industrieller
  • de:Richard Kaselowsky (Unternehmer, 1921) (* 1921), deutscher Unternehmer und Industrieller

If we support first, oppose second and add third, the Richard Kaselowsky disambiguation page would contain 1) Richard Kaselowsky (businessman), 2) Richard Kaselowsky (died 1921) and 3) Richard Kaselowsky (born 1921), each of the three being disambiguated with a qualifier form different from the other two.    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:45, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

• Move to Richard Kaselowsky (businessman, born 1888) and Richard Kaselowsky (businessman, born 1852). Both most significant as businessmen (the father was only a deputy for four years), and year of birth is our usual disambiguator here. Personally, I dislike using a year of birth without a further disambiguator, although I suppose it is possible. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:16, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. The Nazi gets substantially more page views than his father, making him the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in a WP:TWODABS situation. Most Google Books references for "Richard Kaselowsky" on the first 2 pages appear to be about him as well.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:51, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

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