Talk:Retirement Plan

Requested move 8 March 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per WP:DIFFCAPS, the capital letters are sufficient to distinguish the topic. (non-admin closure) {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs}} 13:03, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

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Retirement Plan (film) → Retirement Plan – Since Retirement Plan is currently a redlink, removal of the unnecessary parenthetical qualifier "(film)" may be considered an uncontroversial technical request. If preferred by consensus, retirement plan with the lowercase "p" can continue as a redirect to Pension or it can redirect to the film Retirement Plan. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:30, 8 March 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 10:34, 3 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 12:40, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

• Support per WP:DIFFCAPS. If someone is capitalizing the P in Plan, then it is more likely they are looking for a proper noun. Keep Retirement plan as a redirect to pension.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 07:11, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
• Support per above or at least make the title case version a DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:38, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
• Support per WP:DIFFCAPS. Oppose retargeting the lowercase redirect, that should be discussed separately at WP:RFD. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:03, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
• Leaning opposed. The capital letter doesn't seem sufficient to identify this as a film. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:34, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

  I'm not sure why I feel this way about this particular topic. Perhaps it's because I believe the title is a phrase that would frequently be used as the title of a document, e.g., a document issued by a company about the retirement package it provides, and we would render the title of a document in title case. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:53, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

• Comment. Since Retirement plan and Pension are not synonymous, it would seem more intuitive if the lowercase "p" Retirement plan were instead to serve as a redirect to the entry for Retirement. As for the Oscar-nominated film Retirement Plan, it should have hatnotes pointing to the entry for Retirement and to the entry delineating the 2023 action comedy film The Retirement Plan, which could also use similar hatnotes. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:18, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

  We can probably just leave the discussion about "Retirement plan" for RfD like Mdewman6 said. It's not pressing and the requested move does not directly affect it.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 00:35, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

  That, and I might disagree - retirement and pensions/retirement plans are different topics. Pension is much closer. In the US, at least, a "pension" generally is employer-funded, while our coverage of it describes what we would refer to as a "retirement plan" (either employee/employer or perhaps government-funded) so I would argue that the current structure works better. As to WP:DIFFCAPS (so that I'm not barreling entirely off-topic here) I'm always on the fence and generally lean toward using disambiguation when the difference is a single capital letter (even if we should put the onus on our readers to understand the difference, not all of them are as well-versed in the intricacies of English and capitalization) so I will lean weak oppose on this as well. If we had many more options to disambiguate I might give it the same treatment as Friendly Fire (disambiguation), but here I can see long-term significance pointing more toward the topic of pensions instead. ASUKITE 19:52, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

As mentioned above, in addition to the Academy-Award-nominated short film — Retirement Plan/Retirement Plan (film), there is also the theatrical feature The Retirement Plan which does not disambiguate its main title header as The Retirement Plan (film), since there does not appear to be expectation that the uppercase The Retirement Plan or even the lowercase the retirement plan, which is currently a redlink, should redirect to either the article Pension or to the article Retirement. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

It may be also noted that neither the feature film The Retirement Plan nor the Oscar-nominated short Retirement Plan/Retirement Plan (film) focuses upon structured receipt of financial sustenance in one's old age.

The Retirement Plan concerns a retired beach bum evading gangsters, while Retirement Plan concerns an employee nearing retirement whose well-laid plans of enjoyable activity in his soon-to-be free time are negated by death.

Also, since the example of Friendly Fire (disambiguation) was presented above, other examples of uppercase main title headers, such as Cigarette Girl, Dust Bunny, Escape Velocity, Hot Ice, Police Academy, Red Meat, Saddle Tramp, Total War, Union Station or Witch Doctor, to name but ten, all of which are titles of books, films, TV series, etc, are not redirects to the lowercase forms cigarette girl, dust bunny, escape velocity, hot ice, police academy, red meat, saddle tramp, total war, union station or witch doctor.

Users typing the uppercase form are presumed to be researching a title, rather than the lowercase form. However, hatnotes atop both forms, each pointing to the other, should of course be added to resolve any uncertainty. In the case of uppercase disambiguation pages, the top entry would point to the lowercase form. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose and redirect to Retirement per discussion, common sense, and encyclopedic redirection. If a common phrase is the name of a film then the film should be distinquishable at first reading. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:12, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
• Support per WP:DIFFCAPS. This article gets hundreds of hits per day, and the fact that Retirement Plan is still a redlink indicates it isn't needed for any other purpose. What to do with lower-case retirement plan, which averages only 7 hits per day anyway, is not dependent on this move and can be discussed separately. Station1 (talk) 07:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
• Support per WP:DIFFCAPS. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:11, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Film and WikiProject Animation/Animated films work group have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 10:35, 3 April 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose for reasons listed by ⁠BarrelProof and Randy Kryn above. Honestly, the safest bet is to have a disambiguation page that links to (1) Retirement, (2) Pension, and (3) this film. Paintspot Infez (talk) 03:31, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose per Barrel Proof and Randy Kryyn. Our only aim should be to help our users, not to make things more ambiguous. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:59, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.