Talk:Red Seidelson

GA review

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Nominator: BeanieFan11 (talk · contribs) 00:10, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: WikiOriginal-9 (talk · contribs) 17:09, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

• Birth name should be cited in body.
  • I added it in the body as well as that he went under a different name in the U.S.
• Hmm, do you know if the Toronto Tigers played Canadian football or American?
  • They were based in Toronto, Ohio, so American (I added that they were Ohio-based in the article).
• I added cats Coaches of American football from Pennsylvania, and Jewish Romanian sportspeople.
• Jersey numbers in infobox need cited.
• I unlinked Pittsburgh on the second instance in the infobox.
• I clicked on ref 7 to see what they meant by scrub but the ref isn't clipped.
  • This doesn't work for you? It loads fine for me. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:22, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Spot checks

• Ref 2 looks okay.
• Ref 7 not clipped.
• Ref 14 looks good.
• Ref 17 looks good.

Great work! Really interesting guy. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:09, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

• @WikiOriginal-9: Responded. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:22, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  All looks good now. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:26, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by TarnishedPath talk 11:24, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

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Seidelson, c. 1923

• ... that American football player Red Seidelson (pictured) reportedly played over 40 games in one season?

• Source: Jews In Sports

• • ALT1: ... that at the same time he played in the NFL, Red Seidelson (pictured) worked as a dentist? Source: same
  • ALT2: ... that NFL player Red Seidelson (pictured) reportedly had such a reputation as a fighter that police officers sometimes asked him to come with them as "insurance" if they expected "any sticky situations"? Source: same
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rising Star (1991 ship)
  • Comment: To do QPQ within a day or so. Both moved to mainspace and promoted to GA recently.

Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 417 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:01, 23 September 2025 (UTC).

• @BeanieFan11 and WikiOriginal-9: Article recently promoted to GA. QPQ good. Earwig checks out. Photo is in the public domain and works well at size. ALT0 is tricky because for someone outside of the US, there's no context for if that's a lot or not. ALT1 and ALT2 are interesting, but I have concerns about the reliability of the source jewsinsports.org, which seems to be WP:RS/SPS/WP:SPS. Can alternate sources be found? ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 03:32, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

For what it's worth, the Jews in Sports page cites references for the dentist claim, although they are obviously all offline and I have been unable to find any more sources about the claim online (or really, much sources about Seidelson in general). Given the circumstances, the fact that the page actually has references, and how the claim is not contentious, I'd be inclined to accept the reference this time. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:25, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

The Encyclopedia of Football is available on Archive.org and barely mentions Seidelson; The Encyclopedia of Jews in Sports has a short entry that doesn't support any of the hooks, and Total Football is similar: birthdate, high school, death date, a few stats; nothing about dentistry, police insurance, or 40 games in a season. However, I did find a newspaper article (clipped by BeanieFan11, actually) that mentions concurrent dentistry with his time on the Frankford Yellow Jackets. With that, I'd be willing to approve ALT1 if that was used as the source. Given that each of the sources mentioned by JewsInSports barely talk about Seidelson, however, I am a bit uncomfortable with all the citations to JewsInSports in the article. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 15:45, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

What does the Encyclopedia of Jews in Sports say about him? Based on one part of the website's Seidelson entry, I would guess that they probably got some of the information from interviewing his grandson. Also, the source is published by the American Jewish Historical Society, which I would imagine is probably a reliable source? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:57, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

The entirety of his entry in the EoJiS is: SEIDELSON, HARRY. U. of Pittsburgh, guard, 1921-23. Played professionally with Frankford Yellow Jackets 1925, Akron Steels 1926. Dr. L. H. Baker rated him as one of the All-Time Pitt guards. During the 1925 season Seidelson played on the Pitt All-Stars which defeated the Red Grange-led Chicago Bears 24-0. Being published by the AJHS is a point in the favor of JewsInSports, but I'm still wary. You might try posting at WP:RS/N to ask, but it really would be best, in my opinion, to find other sources to back up the claims made by it. I'm striking ALT0 and ALT2, but will approve ALT1 if the sentence in the article can be reworded to use the Drum newspaper article source instead of JewsInSports. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 16:28, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11 and Darth Stabro: What is the status of this nomination? Has help been sought yet? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:17, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

@Darth Stabro: It looks like the newspaper source is already the reference for the dentist statement? Is that sufficient or do you think we need to go RSN? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:06, 7 November 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, not sure how I mixed that up. With that source in place in the article, I'm fine with ALT1. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 17:17, 7 November 2025 (UTC)