Talk:Rassilon

Is Rassilon actually a villain?

The only time we properly see him (that is, in concretely canon stories) he helps the Doctor(ss) by getting rid of Borusa and helping to save the day. Does this make him a baddie? NP Chilla 03:46, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, there's a point, I suppose. On the other hand, we have audio villains as well in the

Category... --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 05:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Rassilon and Vampires

Article needs mention of the Rassilon's Vampire pursuit as mentioned in The State of Decay episode 3. Kranser (talk) 12:02, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

End of Time

the presdant was Rassilon! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.47.180 (talk) 20:23, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

If that is indeed meant to be the same Rassilon as in The Five Doctors, then him saying "I will not die!" would seem to be of significance… Dsalt (talk) 20:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

maybe he lives forever but can die from out side sorces plus the time war might be so hellacious even rassilon can't survive so he joined the war —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.47.180 (talk) 23:14, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

The President being Rassilon would fit with his ambitious cruel and dictatorial behaviour, this is how he is described in legends. Also, we knoe the Time Lords resurrected the Master as "the perfect soldier for a Time War" so maybe they thought having Rassilon around would be a good thing too (I think he fought in earlier Time Wars as well, if i recall correctly) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.131.72 (talk) 17:01, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I think that it is certainly worth noting that while The Doctor obviously spoke the name Rassilon, the closing credits only refer to Timothy Dalton as the Timelord President. This may have been done in order to leave the door open for future creators on DW to take a different slant on the identity of the character if they choose.208.66.146.164 (talk) 23:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

“ The serial does not make it clear whether the Lord President depicted in The End of Time is the same figure as the historical Rassilon from previous episodes. ”

Yeah of course, they chose to call the character Rassilon in the End of Time to cause deliberate confusion. Of course it's the same guy! 92.20.24.88 (talk) 14:22, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

It's a name, same as Michael is to us. If the creator of the time lord empire had been called Michael, and Dalton's character had been named as michael, no-one would bat an eyelid...but just because RTD chose to reuse the name Rassilon, we have an endless debate that will go no-where. Put simply, we have NO EVIDENCE that Dalton's Rassilon is THE Rassilon, so it seems pointless having discussion. Until such time as RTD, or Moffat, or someone else, clears up the matter, we can only assume that they are different people. magnius (talk) 14:50, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

It's worth noting that in The Writer's Tale 2, RTD says pretty unequivocally "TIMOTHY DALTON!!! AS RASSILON!!!", and flippantly notes that he wanted "the bloke from The Five Doctors, but apparently he was banned from acting ever again." (page 662). Later on, he points out about the original leaked picture having "Timothy in his full Seal-of-Rassilon garb, just in case you were in any doubt about who he's playing!" (page 680). It doesn't look like there was any doubt that it was meant to be Rassilon in the episode, from the point of view of the writer himself, who I'd presume knows a great deal more about it than Wikipedia editors. 86.5.192.23 (talk) 16:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Tell me more about Rassilon's Glove! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.77.127 (talk) 13:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Given that we see Rassilon's consciousness survived his death in The Five Doctors, it only makes sense that it would've been housed somewhere, somewhat like the Master's ring. Now, look at the gauntlet Dalton is wearing. It's most probably labeled as "The Gauntlet of Rassilon" by the propmaster if no one else. Just the kind of artefact some power-hungry Cardinal might use in desperation during the latter days of the war. Boom, Rassilon gets a new body. There you have the obvious (to me) answer to the mystery.

Kind of fitting too, when you consider Omega survived past his believed death, as did The Other.--24.185.34.96 (talk) 07:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Y'know, I don't know if anybody else noticed, but Rassilon's gauntlets are the Torchwood ones...Crimsonraptor (talk) 17:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Photo

Can we have both pics of rassilon of the page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.235.70.183 (talk) 17:15, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Rassilon or not Rassilon?

The original phone should remain methinks. I think Russel T. Davies makes it deliberately vague an open ended on mentioning the name Rassilon once. Could be Rassilon, or a president named after him. I'm sure this will be developed in the future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewakisan (talk • contribs) 23:46, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Revived_Series

Opinions seem to be divided as to whether the narrator in The End of Time is Rassilon. RTD's comments aside, the bottom line is that the DW producers did not credit the character by name, which they could easily have done. Accordingly, without proper sources, assuming that the character is Rassilon is original research. That's why I've tagged the section, but please feel free to locate cogent sources that go beyond what you might want to write. Rodhullandemu 22:00, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

You can always look just above this on the talk page, where in January I noted relevant quotes from "The Writer's Tale 2" by Russell T. Davies, in which he notes on several occasions that it was indeed meant to be Rassilon. I'd presume that a published book written by the author of the relevant episode of the show is considered a proper source, rather than the typical online fan musings that are the only basis for excluding this appearance. 82.1.26.112 (talk) 14:45, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Original research

The article reeks of it. I started a bit of pruning, but there is just too much. In fact, there is too much detail everywhere. Every appearance becomes a plot summary for the whole episode in which the character is invoked. ZarhanFastfire (talk) 05:00, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

GA review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Rassilon/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Pokelego999 (talk · contribs) 06:34, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk · contribs) 03:15, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Hey, I will be reviewing this - expect comments in a few days :) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 03:15, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Hey, well done for your work on this article! It was really interesting to read and you have done an amazing job! Earwig shows no copyright violations and there are no major issues so here are my minor comments:

Character history:

1. "a star going supernova" - I think needs rephrasing

• Altered slightly. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

1. Could you please briefly explain what "Game of Rassilon"" and "Death Zone" are?

• It's unclear what exactly the Death Zone is and where it's located even in original media, so I've left it as "a location which holds the tower" since only the tower is really relevant to Rassilon's character, and getting into Death Zone specifics would be UNDUE. Tried rewording the Game. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

1. Could you please clarify what is meant by "disembodied image"?

• It's a floating picture of his head, and it's unclear if it's a ghost or a projection or what have you. Not sure how to change this to be as brief but neutral as possible. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

1. Having read the next section, could you please clarify that it is unclear as to whether Rassilon is dead or not?
2. "Rassilon implanted the sound of a drumbeat in the head of antagonist the Master" - Could you please explain why he did this?

• This is explained in the text: "turns every human on Earth into a copy of themselves, the sound of the drumbeat is amplified, allowing Rassilon (Timothy Dalton) and the Time Lords to lock onto the signal it creates." Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

1. "Rassilon's role in its founding" - Could you briefly expand on this perhaps?

• From what I've seen it expands on a *lot* of stuff, so it's easier to briefly summarize rather than put a lot of weight on every bit where he's mentioned in the book. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

1. "where he is shown revived from the dead" - I am a bit confused as to when he died?

• Added a mention at the top of the summary that he died before the series began. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

1. Could you please write the years of when the spinoff media was released?

• Done, though I've neglected to do it for Gallifrey and Time War since both are long running series and Rassilon is a recurring character intermittently. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Conception and development:

1. Could you please clarify "disembodied apparition" if possible?

• Same as per above. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

1. Could you please replace some of the "stated"?

Analysis:

1. Could you please replace some of the "stated" in this section?

• Did this and the above. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

1. Can you briefly explain who/what Ohila and Sisterhood of Karn are?

• Woops, thought they were already mentioned. I've added brief mention in the proseline, but the scene being analyzed is small in the episode, so I can't really go through their dynamic too deeply without bordering on UNDUE. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

1. "as being an example of showing that the pursuit of immortality was something considered "reprehensible"" - Could you please explain if this means the pursuit of immortality in the show or in general?

• Specified. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

1. For when the books say that Rassilon is corrupted and tyrant, could you please briefly write the examples/reasons that the authors cite to strengthen their point?

• His actions during the story, in which he generally acts like a tyrant, as well as through the actions specified in the plot summary. I'm not sure what more I can do to specify this, so suggestions would be appreciated. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

1. "The longest running Doctor Who quiz group, The Quiz of Rassilon, is named after the character" - I am not sure if this should be here. If it was called "Analysis and Cultural impact" or "Analysis and reception" it would make sense, but this is not analysis. Perhaps changing the section heading or making a separate section for this sentence? It should definitely stay in the article as it show's the character's impact, just not in the analysis section.

• I added a section heading, but there's not much more that can be added there unfortunately. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

As usual, please let me know if you have any questions at all or need any help! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 11:13, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

• @DaniloDaysOfOurLives: responded, let me know on the above. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

  Also, I've just started using the pledge system devised by Kuzma, though this was after you started the review; let me know if you want a QPQ review for one of your own articles and I'll happily do so! Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:29, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

  Hey, thank you so so much! I have spotchecked Sources #8, #15 and #23. I changed the last sentence slightly as I could not see in the source of the quiz being the longest-running one, though I did see that it is notable. I am going to pass this, well done! Also, I would love it if you reviewed one of my articles, thank you so much! :) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 14:23, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

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