Talk:Questioning Collapse

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 17:42, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that the book Questioning Collapse was created as a critique of the claims made by Jared Diamond in his book Collapse? Source: "Their discussion expanded and developed into a volume that brings together archaeologists, cultural anthropologists, and historians to reanalyze and reinterpret Diamond's case studies and conclusions", Did They Fail? Could They Choose? - Science
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  • Comment: The article was moved from draftspace to mainspace with this edit.

Created by Silver seren (talk). Self-nominated at 00:25, 11 September 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Interesting article. Good to go. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:54, 16 September 2022 (UTC) One point: the opening sentence says "discussing how societies have developed, evolved, and collapsed". The lead then goes on to say "These authors showcased how each society did not collapse'. Suggest re-wording the initial sentence. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:59, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I've added "and whether they have or have not collapsed" to clarify that point. Silverseren^C 21:56, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Silver seren and Hawkeye7: might i suggest a quirky? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:48, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that Questioning Collapse questions Collapse?
  • I feel like that's a bit too quirky. :P And I do want the hook to explain its connection to Jared Diamond, since that's the entire point of the book in the first place. And will quite possibly get even more clicks than a quirky hook, since a lot of people would recognize the name. Silverseren^C 01:51, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
    • Fair enough! :P theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:59, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
      • @Silver seren:, @Hawkeye7: - The only mention of the book Collapse I see is in the lede and uncited. Am I mistaken? If not this will need to be fixed before the hook can be promoted. CSJJ104 (talk) 18:12, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
        • @CSJJ104: I've added the books into the background section, since that's the most relevant place that's already discussing them and their contents anyways. Silverseren^C 18:18, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Delete or merge?

This article seems to be dated, dealing in part with a controversy that is behind us. Second point of greater importance is that this is part of climate change denial agendas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial) in so far as the core concern is to show there is no collapse as such, only change. To simplify, if this premise is accepted, then the 'lesson from history' is that there is no lesson, we have to accept that change is inevitable, and no change of direction is needed, economic develop can continue at speed, no change of direction is mandated by precedent. All this in the face of a number of scientific signals regarding warming and species extinction. The "two rains' project at Cambridge was also influence by the fashionable scepticism of the time, feed in part by: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy. There seems to be no guide through this particular problem in wikipedia, unless I have missed something? Zippymarmalade (talk) 11:03, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

Did you post this to the wrong talk page? An article about a book has to do with notability at WP:NBOOK, which it handily meets. If you're not aware, notability is not temporary and an article can't become "dated" other than there being new information that needs to be added. Your comment also seems to have nothing to do with this article about a book. Silverseren^C 01:27, 15 January 2026 (UTC)