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Latest comment: 9 months ago by Kanguole in topic 'Pyu Pali', 'Burmese Pali', 'Thai Pali'

'Pyu Pali', 'Burmese Pali', 'Thai Pali'

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This sounds as if these were different languages. Aren't they just the same language written in different scripts? ~2025-31121-91 (talk) 08:39, 9 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

It's not at all clear what that table depicts. It was added in this edit by user:咽頭べさ, who also created the images of the Pyu text used. There is no indication here or on Commons of where these came from. The translation was replaced (and cited) in this edit, but the citation (available from the Wayback Machine) gives only romanized Pali and the English translation, with no mention of Pyu, Burmese or Thai. Kanguole 10:09, 9 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
I would like to state that your current assertions are completely incorrect. The reason for this is that Mon Pali, Burmese Pali, Pyu Pali, and Thai Pali are not pronounced according to the original Pali pronunciation; rather, they are pronounced according to the sounds specific to their respective ethnic groups. For example, a person familiar with Burmese Pali would not be able to understand Mon Pali, Pyu Pali, or Thai Pali just by hearing the pronunciation. Another example is that no matter how similar the writing systems of Burmese and Mon scripts are, the pronunciations are fundamentally different—it's like the difference between the Japanese writing system and the Chinese writing system. To put it more simply, my best advice to you is to practically study the Pali pronunciations chanted by Thai monks, Mon monks, and Burmese monks. Discussing these matters here would be a waste of time because they involve extremely complex historical contexts. If you are unable to study these in person, you can research them on YouTube. To provide one more clear example: the letter "သ" is read as "Ta" in Burmese Pali, while it is read as "Sa" in Mon Pali, and as "Sā" in Thai Pali. I believe this explanation is sufficient for you to understand the point. Please understand and forgive me, as I am currently struggling and working extensively on the Mon literature section on Wiki by myself, thanks.«Intobesa (talk 12:05, 9 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
@咽頭べさ: what is the source for the text samples in the table in the Usage section? Kanguole 12:33, 9 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
I have personally rewritten this inscription from the Myazedi Inscription (Gubyaukgyi) with a pen, and then edited it using Photoshop. I am fluent in the Mon, Old Mon, Pyu, Old Burmese, Mon-Pali, Burmese-Pali, and Thai-Pali languages. «Intobesa (talk 12:55, 9 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
Which lines of the Myazedi Pyu inscription are the Pyu versions taken from? I'm having trouble seeing a match. Kanguole 14:01, 9 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
Please search for the information you want in these: 'Gubyaukgyi (Myazedi) Inscription, Pages 1 and 23; further, the image pedestal surrounding the Buddha image on Bawgyi Taungkan Wetkhauk Kone, Mawza, Pages 3 and 8; further, the Shwesandaw Pagoda Inscription, Bagan, Page 6; and further, the Dhammayangyi Inscription, No. (8), back pages (Sa) and (Na); and the stone inscription from the hill south of Hanlin Ancient City, Pages 4 and 8. If you still do not believe this, that is your business. For my part, I wish to stop this discussion. Arguing back and forth like this, which is fruitless for both sides, is a form of harassment that prevents me from moving forward with my work. As I mentioned in the note above, I am a person who has to do many jobs alone for Mon literature, so I request your understanding and ask you not to engage in unnecessary arguments. If you consider my actions incorrect, please proceed as you see fit. Since the day I started using Wiki until now, I have never been given any authority, and I have frequently faced actions taken against me due to incorrect accusations from some admins. «Intobesa (talk 00:57, 10 November 2025 (UTC)Reply
I am not harassing you, and nor was the original poster. Wikipedia requires discussion, especially when article content is unclear, as it is here. It also requires that all content be verifiable from reliable sources (WP:V).
In this case, I asked where File:Pyu script 1.png and File:Pyu script 2.png came from. You said you transcribed them from the Myazedi Inscription. Asked which part of the inscription, you point to the Myazedi Inscription and 4 other inscriptions (with page numbers from unspecified books). That is in no way an answer to what was a simple question. Kanguole 22:02, 11 November 2025 (UTC)Reply