Talk:Punani

Requested move 24 March 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. This seems to be somewhat of a point of contention, so here's my analysis: The opposition cited that the song is the only article spelt "Punani" and that the song gets a majority of views, however the supporters argue that the song does not have long term significance, that Punani is a valid alternative spelling of the town, and that if anything, the primary topic is the NSFW word. (closed by non-admin page mover) {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 00:51, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

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• Punani (disambiguation) → Punani
• Punani → Punani (song)

– unnecessary disambiguation; no primary topic 162 etc. (talk) 17:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). SkyWarrior 00:46, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @162 etc., Station1, and Raptorz12: please discuss. I have no opinions on this move request at this time. SkyWarrior 00:49, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. There are two bluelinked entries and two WP:DABMENTIONS listed upon the the Punani (disambiguation) page, with no indication that any one of the four has greater renown than the combined notability of the remaining three. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:08, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. There is only one article on WP titled "Punani". It's about the song. There is only one other article on WP that could possibly be titled "Punani", an alternative spelling of the Sri Lankan village whose article has been titled "Punanai" since 2007. Last year, the song got about 15 times the pageviews of the village (not to mention triple the views of another article where another song is mentioned only in passing). So this song is either the only article using the title or the WP:primary topic for the title. Station1 (talk) 06:55, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

  Even if the village's article remains at Punanai, being the only exact title match does not automatically make the song a primary topic. I'm also very skeptical about the long-term notability of this song, which certainly cannot be described as a hit. See WP:DPT and WP:NOPRIMARY. 162 etc. (talk) 16:12, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

  If the 2 articles have different titles, it doesn't matter which, if either, is primary or secondary, because they can happily coexist with non-identical titles and a hatnote for disambiguation. Station1 (talk) 22:54, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

  Not the case at all. See WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT, WP:DPT. 162 etc. (talk) 16:24, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

  You say not the case. But why cannot Punanai and Punani happily coexist with non-identical titles and a hatnote for disambiguation? Station1 (talk) 21:30, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

  Whenever there is an ambiguous term, we determine a primary topic. When it comes to Punani, there are three possible outcomes:

  • The song is the primary topic, and is moved to the basename Punani. This is what you are suggesting, and I disagree with, given the dubious long-term notability of the song.
  • The village is the primary topic, and Punani becomes a primary redirect to it.
  • There is no primary topic, and Punani is the disambiguation page. This is the proposal I made, and I still believe is the best outcome.

  Even if the village's article title remains at Punanai, the above still applies. 162 etc. (talk) 17:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

  But that doesn't answer the question. Punani and Punanai have happily coexisted since August 2020, causing no problem for anyone. I have not suggested any change. There doesn't seem to be any problem here that needs solving. Station1 (talk) 06:35, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

  The problem is that the song isn't the primary topic. There is no primary topic. Therefore, the song's article can't be at Punani; that's where the dabpage goes. 162 etc. (talk) 07:04, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Punani (disambiguation) → Punani: We could instead do away with the disambiguation page and switch to using hatnotes for each article of the same name (no redirects), until there are more articles (a RM is being discussed at Talk:Punanai).
  Support Punani → Punani (song): "Punani" as in the 6ix9ine song, should not be considered the automatic landing for the word without a disambig tag, as there are other topics listed at Punani (disambiguation) which also would not be considered the primary landing (WP:QUALIFIER). If a second song article by that name is created, then it would be appropriate to move Punani (song) → Punani (6ix9ine song). — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 08:06, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Per WP:SMALLDETAILS. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:06, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@Zxcvbnm: what small details? all 3 meanings are spelled the same in WP:RS sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Punanai is also up for RM . 162 etc. (talk) 16:00, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
• Obvious support the obscure song may get more views, but many of those will be people looking for Punani as a word not a song. In old GBooks Punani (Sri Lanka) is a more encyclopaedic meaning than the song. And the song is a song, see WP:CRITERIA In ictu oculi (talk) 12:07, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment wikt:punani lists two more obvious uses, that are slang synonyms of other topics we have on Wikipedia. -- 65.92.244.249 (talk) 06:52, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support. DuckDuckGo query for punani excluding wikipedia is NSFW and shows that if there's a primary topic, it's not the song. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support precisely per Rotideypoc41352. BD2412 T 00:14, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.