Talk:Protectorate/Archive 1

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nominal independence?

Some questions:

1. If a protectorate is a nominal independent state with an own head of state as some say, how can old maps list them as part of British, French or German colonies? When I was a kid i thougt the protectorate was colonies.

2. Could another state, like France, open an embassy in a let's say British protectorate?

Normally, not without British permission, which would be unlikely. The protecting power takes care of the protectorate's foreign relations. (This is also the answer to #1.) Septentrionalis

3. Could a protectorate join international organizations, like the League of Nations or the United Nation

4. What kind of citizenship had the local people in a protectorate. I know that Egypt was a British protectorate between 1914-1922, so were the Egyptians British citizens or Egyptian citizens?

Egyptian subjects. Septentrionalis 19:55, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, the answer to the question of whether a protectorate could join the UN, should really be "no." There is a distinction between a protectorate and a "protected power." (I think Morocco was one for a while.), which is basically just this. A protected power may be just like a protectorate, but it maintains a separate international legal personality, while a protectorate does not, and could not be a party in an international court, sign treaties etc on its own.. (So if a protecting power gave all these permissions, it would in effect be making the protectorate into a "protected power" I guess.) I should probably put this in the article once I find the book I am looking for. --John Z 22:33, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Need more clearcut definition

I think google gives a more clear defintion than this article does... I think that's not a good thing.

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Palau, Micronesia and Marshall islands are associated states, not protectorates, according to the article on associated states.

Notes

These don't fit the definition.

Examples of "protectorates" include the allied occupation of post-World War 2 Japan and Germany.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Roadrunner (talk • contribs) 06:51, 25 September 2003 (UTC)

I reverted. Puerto Rico, American Samoa, etc. etc. are not protectorates under American law. Cuba was something of a protectorate in the early 20th century.

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According to a history book, a protectorate "had its own government, but officials of a foreign power guided its policies, particularly in foreign affairs" (706) (WORLD HISTORY--by the National Geographic Society) I hope this helps.

67.160.126.132 02:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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Actually, the Code of federal regulations defines "protectorate" as the definition is listed!

This is because during the late 20th century a "protectorate" was unethical. Thus all treaties of a protectorate status were altered to exclude protectorates. Today possible protectorates are called Insular Areas, and governed by the OIA. (http://www.doi.gov/oia/).

LINK: http://frwebgate3.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=76999812516+5+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve

Code of Federal Regulations, Title 40, Volume 8, Revised as of July 1, 2003

“Protectorate means American Samoa, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the District of Columbia, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, and the Virgin Islands.”

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Remove reference to protectorate.

http://www.doi.gov/oia/FAQ/faq2.htm

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Meld above with search of CFR. Apparantly the EPA uses the term protectorate in internal correspondence and federal regulations to refer to insular areas, but no one else does, and the OIA argues that this terminology is incorrect.

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By the way if you think that is confusing, look at the the status of a treaty under United States law.

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Macau/Macao

Macau/Macao was a Japanese protecterate from 1943-1945 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.14.147.54 (talk) 11:22, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

chartered companies

“ Occasionally, a protectorate was established by or exercised by the other form of indirect rule: a chartered company, which becomes a de facto state in its European home state (but geographically overseas), allowed to be an independent country which has its own foreign policy and generally its own armed forces. ”

This sentence could be improved. Does the first "state" mean province, or what? How is "an independent country" compatible with "in its home state"? —Tamfang (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Basotholand / Lesotho

Is there a reason why the Basotholand Protectorate is not listed? Roger (talk) 17:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

-Because it was a colony; not a protectorate.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 14:02, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Intro

The intro says there are 2 historical definitions of 'protectorate' and then proceeds to give only 1. I feel cheated and hungry for the 2nd definition.

173.25.54.191 (talk) 19:12, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Protectorates of Mongol Empire, Ilkhanate and Ottoman Empire

Though this is out of the early modern age, Mongol Empire also made several countries into protectorates (this is different from tributary state). - Armenian Cilicia - Sultanate of Rum

These were protectorates of the Mongol Empire and later the Ilkhanate.

Some vassal states of the Ottoman Empire was also like the protectorates; - Crimean Khanate - Regency of Algiers - Beylik of Tunis - Transylvania — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zibran 2 (talk • contribs) 08:44, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Liberia I question whether or not Liberia can be described as a US protectorate from 1827-47. It was a "colony" in the sense that it was colonised by African-Americans, but the colony was run by a US society, not the US government. The US government only developed links with post independence Liberia after the US Civil War, expanded during WWII when US currency replaced British. 08:03, 28 May 2016 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noel Ellis (talk • contribs)

Croatia

I do not believe that Croatia was an Italian protectorate in the legal sense. If all states under the cotnrol of other states, but not legally declared as protectorates, are going to be included here then we'll have expanded the "Protectorate" item beyond any sense! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ikalmar (talk • contribs) 14:09, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Satellite state?

Protectorate

"They are different from colonies as they have local rulers and people ruling over the territory and experience rare cases of immigration of settlers from the country it has suzerainty of."

"The political interest of the protector is frequently moral (a matter of accepted moral obligation, prestige, ideology, internal popularity, dynastic, historical, or ethno-cultural ties, etc.) or countering a rival or enemy power (e.g., preventing the rival from obtaining or maintaining control of areas of strategic importance)."

Satellite_state

"The term satellite state designates a country that is formally independent in the world, but under heavy political, economic and military influence or control from another country. "

I wouldn't go as far as "Puppet state", but it certainly sounds like some ideological and political influence. The 2 don't seem mutually exclusive.

Lumbering in thought (talk) 15:58, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

British Protectorate

Create British Protectorate

93.185.19.243 (talk) 07:04, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Protectorate = Puppet state?

Protectorate is synonymous with puppet state? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davi Gamer 2017 (talk • contribs) 23:00, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

About Cuba

The article lists Cuba as a protectorate of the United States, from 1898 to 1904. I understand the date 1898 as the date of the Treaty of Paris, where Cuba was taken away from Spain. The great powers did not want to recognize the independence of Cuba, and so put it under the protection of the US, a combatant in the war. Then in 1903, the Treaty of Relations more or less formalized the obligations between the two countries, according to the requirements of the Platt Amendment.

But where does the date 1904 come from? I assume it is intended to mean that the relationship fades away early in the century, but is there anything more substantial than that, especially any document? Thanks ( Martin | talk • contribs 06:21, 7 May 2020 (UTC))

Exocracy (include the term in the main text)

A protectorate system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:410C:2D62:FC16:D355:3A5B:1562 (talk) 23:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Maldives

I researched very deeply but couldn't find any document which states Maldives is a semi protectorate of India Is Wikipedia publishing unverified information also? Corrector9990 (talk) 11:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)