Talk:Primero

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I won't do any editing of the page, but IMO, the notion that Primaero is an ancestor of poker is one of those myths which gains currency through repetition, and is baseless. Poch is clearly the first game which is related to poker, and Primero was more or less obsolete before Poker was invented, and played no role in it's invention. Primero uses four cards, and ignores pairs, being based on flushes and primes, while poker, from it's infancy in Poch, to the the modern era, has always been a game of pairs, based around five-card holdings. There is no line of descent from Primero to Poker, and the one claim it might have to priority in poker ideas is the use of a draw. See David Parlett's poker history pages for some informed commentary on poker's origins. http://www.pagat.com/vying/pokerhistory.html#brag Shakeyourbooty (talk) 20:31, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

If the name is "primero" (spanish word that means first) and it was played with 40 cards (from Ace to 7, J,Q,K) as spanish cards, I don't know why it cannot be said that the origin is Spanish strongly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.221.246.12 (talk) 23:28, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Just curious,how reliable is those modern day construct of those rules? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanghaiWu (talk • contribs) 15:14, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Clarification of hand descriptions and points

The description of the Supremus and Numerus hands are currently confusing, and it is not clear that the points are only counted from cards which make up the hand (i.e. not the 'kickers' to borrow a poker term)

Supremus:

Supremus (fifty-five): The highest possible three-flush, the ace, 6, 7 (plus an unrelated fourth card) and ace card from any other suit.

It is possible that the parenthetical part has been added to try to be helpful, but the last part does not make sense (why an ace?). I suspect a typo where "a card from any other suit" has erroneously become "ace card from any other suit".

Also the reference to a "flush" is possibly unhelpful as the main definition (since it is normally called a fluxus in this game).

The 'fifty-five' name may be helpfully explained by pointing out the combined score of an Ace, 6 and 7 (55 pts)

Finally I note that the main web-source referenced uses the word 'Maximus' and does not mention 'Supremus' for this hand.

I suggest rewriting as:

Supremus/Maximus (fifty-five): The Ace, 6, 7 from one suit, and another card from any other suit. This is the highest scoring three-flush possible - the points from the Ace, 6 & 7 would total fifty-five (see card point values table)

As for the Numerus, there are two [clarification needed] flags already:

Numerus (point): Two or three cards of the same suit. A point of higher card-value beats one of lower value for which purpose Courts count 10 each of the hand is the sum of the cards.[clarification needed] ace, 6, 7 and jack cards in any suit.[clarification needed]

The second part appears to discuss point score (better left to the table below?) and the final part is a non-sequitur.

I suggest rewriting as:

Numerus (point): A hand containing two or three cards of the same suit (and so two or one card(s) - respectively - from other suits). In practice this means any hand not classified into one of the higher ranking hands.

Then adding the following below the hand descriptions, and before the points table:

Point values for each hand are found by summing the value of the cards that make up the hand (i.e. not the leftover cards in a Supremus/Maximus or Numerus) - see the following table for the value of each card. Sparkytheteacher (talk) 19:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)