Talk:President of Greece

Not exactly ceremonial

While one could say it's partially ceremonial [perhaps a continuation of the abolished monarchy] since the prime minister is the holder of most power in greece, the position does become very important in specific situations. e.g. now (november 2011) it has been a very important position for holding the talks between leaders to appoint a new prime minister. This could not be done easily in the office of another leader since this would be considered a conflict of interest. It becomes important when a neutral ground is needed. And in that time of important crisis it became very important. --213.16.180.78 (talk) 07:03, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Per the anon above

I think the section on "Powers" should be expanded - I am unqualified to do so myself. All we really say is that the position is "largely" ceremonial, which it is, but given the current crisis with no one seeming to be able to form a government, I think readers will be curious about the extent of his discretion. Compare the analogous role in the UK here--Jimbo Wales (talk) 20:19, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

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Change to rename the President of the Hellenic Republic

Please update and make a rename of the President of the Hellenic Republic. 72.69.243.12 (talk) 02:07, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

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"Deputy" to the President

Hi, some time ago I made an edit to the Greek President's Wikipedia page, specifically where I have labeled the Speaker of the Hellenic Parliament as the Greek President's "deputy", but the user ThanmadGR seems to disagree stating that "The President of the Parliament will only fill-in in cases of incapacitation or resignation and not succeed the President". Let me explain the following: the dictionary definition of a "deputy" is "someone appointed as the substitute of another, and empowered to act for them, in their name or their behalf" and the Speaker of the Hellenic Parliament fits that description as the constitutional substitute for the Greek President as per Article 34 of the Greek Constitution which states that the Parliament Speaker becomes Acting President during both temporary and absolute absences of the President of Greece. Let me explain the following: The role of a deputy of a country's President varies by jurisdiction, Wikipedians at the very least define three basic categories of deputies to a country's President: first is the category of "Vice President" which is a standalone office existing for deputizing or replacing a President, second is the category of "Designated Acting President" which is a person that deputizes or replaces a President by holding another separate office, and third is the category of "Presidential Commission" (like the one in Ireland) which is essentially a collective version of a Designated Acting President (Note: this of course excludes countries whose Presidents have no deputies or assigned substitutes and instead a new President or Acting President has to be elected or appointed immediately, such as in the case of the President of Ethiopia). In a number of jurisdictions where there is a Vice President (such as the U.S. and Brazilian Vice Presidents), the Vice President usually becomes "Acting President" (where they are just temporarily assuming the duties and powers of the presidency of their countries when the official President is not available and do not assume the full Office of President in their own right) during temporary absences and become the "Official" President during absolute absences (meaning they are now officially occupying the Office of President for the remainder of the "original" President's term). However, some Vice Presidents (such as the Vice President of India) and most Designated Acting Presidents are usually only assigned by the local constitutions to serve as "Acting President" until a new "Official" President can be elected in case of absolute absence, but are also assigned to become "Acting President" during temporary absences (such as travel, illness, etc.) and even during certain occasions they might not assume all powers and duties of the country's President, but instead "deputise" for the President by performing on the President's behalf merely tasks that require the President's physical presence, such as the signing of documents. So the Speaker of the Hellenic Parliament is the constitutional deputy of the Greek President in that sense of the word. Belson 303 (talk) 09:02, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Inaugural holder and office formation date

There should be a discussion about whether to include the inaugural holder of both the Second Republic in addition to the Third Republic. Currently, there's inconsistency, since the page of Prime Minister of Greece includes as inaugural holder the first Prime Minister of Greece (then President of the Council of Ministers), Spyridon Trikoupis, during the Bavarian Regency.

The argument that the office of Prime Minister has been continuously observed in contrast to the office of President isn't right. That's because the office of President has been continuously observed in Greece since 1973-06-01, when the dictatorial regime changed Greece's government from constitutional monarchy to presidential republic , pending a referendum. As observed on the history section of the page "President of Greece", Georgios Papadopoulos appointed himself President and after he was overthrown, Phaidon Gizikis became President, followed by Michail Stasinopoulos after the referendum of 1974. Amanoss (talk) 10:03, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

If we were to include the inaugural holder of both the Second and Third Hellenic Republics, I assume we would also need to include that of the Greek junta; as aforementioned. However, I prefer we stick to just that of the Third Hellenic Republic, which is also in line with the official website of the presidency (here). In terms of inter-article consistency, I would argue the same for the page Prime Minister of Greece; check the official website of the prime minister (here). A similar example to Greece would be that of Germany, which historically began having the presidency with the foundation of the Weimar Republic back in 1919 (list of presidents), while the President of Germany shows Theodor Heuss as inaugural holder, who became president in 1949, with the establishment of the current Federal Republic of Germany. Demetrios1993 (talk) 07:06, 31 January 2025 (UTC)