Talk:Premier of Taiwan

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Premiership

Huh? Why premier in taiwan cannot go visit other countries unlike taiwans president?2404:8000:1027:85F6:D872:2D0F:5ED4:ECB2 (talk) 13:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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Requested move 23 September 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Clear consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Thanks! —1isall (talk | contribs) 21:14, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

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• Premier of the Republic of China → Premier of Taiwan
• Vice Premier of the Republic of China → Vice Premier of Taiwan

– The rationale for a proposed move here are threefold, each corresponding to a Wikipedia policy:

1. Common usage (WP:COMMONNAME):
   • Most reliable sources use Taiwan premier, Taiwan's premier, or Taiwanese premier (and likewise for the vice premier) to refer to the office. Similar to the name of the country, these have been the commonly WP:recognizable names and continues to be the case.
   • Whenever "Premier of the Republic of China" is used by reliable media, it almost always refers to an official in the 1928-1948 historical era, consistent with the Taiwan/Republic of China (1912–1949) split, more in reason #3 below.
   • If there was an argument to use the official name of the title, that would be "President of the Executive Yuan," rather than Premier of the Republic of China.
2. Consistency with other articles (WP:CONSISTENT):
   • Many other countries have similar naming complications, so it isn't the case that Taiwan/ROC has a unique situation that prevents its public offices from being described in a commonly recognizable way:
     • Obviously China and Premier of China are a pairing that serves as a related and relevant precedent; a move here would not only be consistent with the parallel office, but also naturally clarifying/disambiguating.
     • Prime Minister of South Korea, rather than "Prime Minister for State Affairs" or "Prime Minister of the Republic of Korea"
     • Prime Minister of Greece, rather than "President of the Government" or even "Prime Minister of the Hellenic Republic"
   • The main country article for this office is in fact Taiwan, not Republic of China (1912–1949) or China. Just as other institutions may have moved geographically from the ROC founding to Taiwan, we can treat each case based on what the primary topic is and whether the historical context trumps current usage. In this case, it is clear-cut to me. It makes more sense to me to redirect "premier of the ROC" for pre-1949 historical officeholders to a premier of Taiwan page that includes historical context, rather than the other way around. Just to quantify the history, the ROC "in mainland China" is 37 years, and this office's existence until that point is 21 years; premiers have been operating out of Taiwan for 77 years.
3. Challenges to exceptions as previously discussed:
   • In the most recent RM (primarily for the president page), a typical argument against common recognizable name was these titles predate their modern usage. Since the primary topic of this page is not the office in its first 20 years, it is reasonable to give its history due treatment (like we do in Taiwan and its other institutions that may have come from the ROC) but move the page title to a more appropriate commonly used name. To disregard current (and for at least 4-5 decades) usage in favor of an antiquated title in the name of continuity does not give due weight to the way things already are and the way things are are described by reliable sources.
     • It may be worth noting, from a conceptual level, that most things predate their names in general. We don't stop calling maize that just because the English (or Spanish) name came centuries after it had been well-known to local communities prior to Europeans arriving in the Americas.
   • The complexity of the two states with the same name supports a move from Premier of China to "Premier of the People's Republic of China" and does not contradict a move from this page to "Premier of Taiwan." If anything, it actually supports and disambiguates the two better to move this page. The premiership is the primary topic, the name of the country is the descriptor; again, the latter is Taiwan (the more recognizable descriptor) and has been for decades. Butterdiplomat (talk) 21:11, 23 September 2026 (UTC)

• Support. We have used Taiwan to refer to this country for years. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:34, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
• Support. This seems like common sense to me, and I strongly agree with all of your points, especially the one about common usage. Jasp7676 (talk) 10:49, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.