Talk:Predestination

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Heavy use of material from Matthew Levering

About 30 percent of the references for this article is from Matthew Levering's book, Predestination: Biblical and Theological Paths (2011). These additions were made during December 2015. The edits during this period retained about 58 percent of the original material, with 20 percent of new material added. New material added includes double predestination and the majority of the history section. In regards to the history section, 1055 of the words from the December 2015 edits remain in the current article. Around 46 percent of the references in the history section are from Matthew Levering's book, Predestination: Biblical and Theological Paths (2011). 49.180.9.26 (talk) 04:38, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Out-of-context or editorally reinterpreted passage from Pope John Paul II

The passage cited from Pope John Paul II's "Redemptoris Missio" appears to be taken out of context, or at the very least re-interpreted by a wiki editor to apply to predestination, when that wasn't the original source's intent. Connecting the passage and reframing it in light of predestination would then seem to be an editorial choice and wouldn't be appropriate for a Wikipedia article.

In case there's a wikipedia policy allowing for this type of secondary interpretation, I'm leaving a comment here for someone more familiar to hopefully find, rather than removing the passage from this article myself. 64.135.139.165 (talk) 22:10, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

I believe it's in Calvinist thought that Predestination explains how those outside the faith can acquire salvation. It seems to be in that context the John Paul II quote is used insofar that it's approaching the same subject according to a Catholic worldview. A cursory glance though affirms that yes, Predestination is not the intended subject of the encyclical, but rather the Church's missionary goal and meeting others where they are. What matters most though, contextually speaking, is that it affirms the assurance of God's grace and Man's agency. DoctorDerp97 (talk) 00:36, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Predestination/Preordained/Prydain/Britain/Covenant

Any worthile known links betwixt the aforesaid worth bywording? ~2026-73508-3 (talk) 16:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

On Theophan the Recluse in the context of Catholic theology.

I really like the included quote from Theophan the Recluse and I see it seems surprisingly compatible with Catholic thought on the subject. I was wondering if there's a quote from a Catholic saint or theologian that expresses similar thoughts. DoctorDerp97 (talk) 00:39, 18 May 2026 (UTC)