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The result of this discussion was to keep the pages separate Citrivescence (talk) 08:12, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

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I don't think we need an article with the non-precise title of "potty parity". Let's merge it with either public toilet, Sex segregation in public restrooms or unisex public toilet. EMsmile (talk) 22:58, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

have added the merger tag. EMsmile (talk) 21:12, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

EMsmile Please revisit the merger tag you added to the article page and fix it. I suspect you were doing some cutting & pasting that day, and the link you have there for the merge discussion is almost certainly not the one you meant. I would have corrected it for you, but since you mentioned three possible target pages, I didn't want to guess your intent. By the way, you know that a merge can operate on any number of pages, so if it was your intent to merge all four articles, or any subset, you can indicate that in the {{merge}} template by adding additional params. Mathglot (talk) 09:32, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Mathglot, you're right. I have correcte it now. The article Sex segregation in public restrooms has in the meantime been merged into unisex public toilet. I propose to merge "potty parity" also into unisex public toilet. EMsmile (talk) 12:06, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

EMsmile Typically, the merge discussion takes place on the target talk page, the source article gets a {{merge to}} template, and the target article gets a {{merge from}}. Mathglot (talk) 18:54, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for this helpful hint. I have done the two templates now but I've left the discussion here because the talk page of unisex public toilet is rather busy at the moment. If you'd prefer to have the discussion there rather than here, feel free to move it, thanks. EMsmile (talk) 00:02, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

There is also an article called bathroom bill which is overlapping a lot as well. Could be merged with that one, too (instead of unisex public toilet). EMsmile (talk) 06:50, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Just to clarify: I am proposing the merger based on the reasons given here: WP:MERGEREASON, mainly the reasons called there "overlap" and "text". EMsmile (talk) 12:09, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

OPPOSE. Potty parity, as a phrase, seems to have settled down to a clear enough understanding: designing public buildings to get a given number of men and women through their sex-segregated toilets in the same amount of time. This concept, and the lobbying and laws that have developed over the past decade or two, are not at all the same arguments as used for bathroom bills. The first is framed about equality for women (and convenience for the men who have to wait for them in theatre intermissions etc.). The latter is framed about transgender rights. Potty parity is not, as a concept and phrase, about toilets open to men and women -- although it is true that one way to speed up women's pee time would be to create unisex toilets. But the ideas are different enough to warrant separate articles. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 23:03, 24 May 2018 (UTC) PS The MERGEREASON "Text" refers to very short articles - Potty parity has 14 references and far beyond a stub, so that reason is not a sufficient one for a merge.Carbon Caryatid (talk) 23:12, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I think the article when you look carefully is actually very short. I am still not sure if it warrants its own article. Take a look at this section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potty_parity#U.S. It's a hotch potch of sentences, many of whom are the same or similar as to the ones in the former article on "sex segregation in public restrooms", which is now part of unisex public toilets but might be moved to bathroom bill soon. They should actually be deleted or moved because they are not focusin on the topic of "potty parity" but are talking about sex segregation, The only part in this article that is unique is the part under definition and maybe those examples given. I suggest we re-focus this article and then see how much is left over of it. EMsmile (talk) 02:37, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Title rename

If this is not moved, this terminology shouldn't be used. "Potty parity" sounds quite a bit hilarious, but sadly, encyclopediae are not supposed to be a source of humor. Unfortunately. --קל • thinus 00:03, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Calthinus You might think so (I did), but actual usage in reliable sources trumps our perceptions of inappropriate titles, if that's what it's really called. If it is not merged, I'm afraid the best you could hope for, is to find a synonym that is used more widely, or as widely, as 'potty parity', and propose a rename based on WP:COMMONNAME. Check out these results:

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

P.S., I've taken the liberty of adding a section header, "Title rename", above your comment, to separate it from the Merger proposal section in which it appeared, because this seems like an independent subject. If this is not to your liking, please feel free to remove the header. Mathglot (talk) 04:07, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Cordially, Mathglot (talk) 04:07, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

....wow. Well... lol.--קל • thinus 05:35, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

OPPOSE. As above, it warrants its own article, and as per Wikipedia:Article titles: "Generally, article titles are based on what the subject is called in reliable sources. [...] the ideal article title precisely identifies the subject; it is short, natural, distinguishable and recognizable". "Potty parity" fulfills all those criteria. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 23:07, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Page needs to be looked at

Recently stumbled upon this page, and decided to expand its very short lead. While I only added a Globalize banner, I also think that the page needs some cleanup, specifically regarding the inconsistent use of "Male/Female" and "Men's/Women's" and the extremely short "History" section.

As for globalizing it, it seems that aside from the US, Canada, India, and China, no other nations are treated at all aside from a few sentences. I would find sources and improve it myself, but I'd prefer to spend my time editing on other pages. I'm happy to offer advice, though. Ships & Space_(Edits) 00:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Clarification on the 4:1 UPC ratio for movie theaters and the Anthony citation

Hello everyone. I recently made an edit to clarify the sentence stating that the Uniform Plumbing Code specifies a "4:1 ratio" in movie theaters, which was previously cited to Anthony and Dufresne.

I believe the original inclusion of the 4:1 number was a mistake or a misunderstanding of the code that failed to account for urinals. The 4:1 ratio is only accurate if you are strictly counting stalls (water closets). Because the UPC mandates both stalls and urinals for men, omitting urinals paints an inaccurate picture of the actual bathroom capacity. When you look at the total required fixtures (stalls + urinals) under UPC Table 422.1, the actual ratio is 2:1 (female to male). In fact, even this is only true of smaller theaters; as theater capacity increases into the thousands, the total fixture ratio asymptotically approaches 1.5:1 due to the way marginal requirements are calculated for larger assembly occupancies, and because the code uses step ups at different occupancy counts there are even some theater sizes where UPC allows an even 1:1 count of women's to men's fixtures.

It seems highly likely that either Anthony and Dufresne made an inadvertent error in their paper by comparing only water closets, or a previous Wikipedia editor misinterpreted their paper when adding the statistic to this article. Highlighting the 4:1 number instead of the much more relevant 2:1 (or 1.5:1, or as low as 1:1) total fixture ratio doesn't make much sense in the context of potty parity and equalizing wait times.

I didn't want to remove the 4:1 reference entirely without discussing it first. I have updated the text to explain that 4:1 refers to stalls and 2:1 refers to total fixtures, and I added a direct citation to the UPC.

Let me know if anyone thinks we can just simplify it to the 2:1 fixture ratio entirely! Or if I should add the information about how it varies with different theater sizes, but that seems kind of overly detailed for a Wikipedia page level overview. Thlemons (talk) 23:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

note - I ended up just removing the 4:1 altogether and clarifying the 1:1 to 2:1 range, which is more useful and accurate to someone who wants to know about the state of potty parity regulations imo. Thlemons (talk) 00:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)