Talk:Post-scarcity

added reference

To energy accounting, and article by Fezer. [http://www.technocracy.org/Archives/The%20Energy%20Certificate-r.htm The Energy Certificate An article on Energy Accounting. This post scarcity concept is drawn out in this essay.

Why were External Links removed? I found them of use

External links:

• The (Needed) New Economics of Abundance
• The Economics of Abundance
• The Venus Project
• The Tragically Neglected Economics of Abundance
• The Energy Distribution Card, a Technocracy Technate suggestion for a post scarcity economy
• A Place To Live In. Wilton Ivie Technocracy Digest Nov.1955.
• The Economics of Science Fiction
• The Post-Scarcity / Culture of Abundance Reading List v2.2
• The Gift Economy. Writings and videos of Genevieve Vaughan and associated scholars.
• Infinity Is Your Friend in Economics - contains links to a series of Techdirt articles on economics when scarcity is removed
• Nanofactory Regulation - ideas on managing post-scarcity through extensive DRM-like legal restrictions on nanofactories
• Imagining Futures, Dramatizing Fears - classic science fiction stories about highly automated societies, most of them pessimistic
• Automating Feminism - Paragraphs 20-28 (and footnotes 12-20) discuss interest in post-scarcity amongst the New Left in the 1960s/1970s
• Post-Scarcity Princeton - Post Scarcity perambulations by Paul Fernhout
• AdCiv.org - Post Scarcity through Open Design and Advanced Automation
• Sharewiki collects theoretical and practical information on how to bring about post scarcity and live in abundance through (universal) sharing
• The Postscarcity Institute
• The Zeitgeist Movement
• Reddit Post-Scarcity Community

Scientific impossibility

Surely there should be something on this page about how blatantly unscientific this idea is. According to the laws of thermodynamics, it is impossible to have an infinite supply of usable energy (or, indeed, any other commodity since there is only a finite amount of matter in the observable universe). Unless these people actually believe it’s possible to somehow transcend the physical universe, it doesn’t make sense why they think a world with unlimited resources is in any way realistic. 2600:1014:B082:EFEC:4076:52A5:F7C9:8BF2 (talk) 01:26, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure they mean a world with resources that seem unlimited relative to the population. As Elon Musk is fond of pointing out, only one billionth of the Sun's energy currently reaches Earth at all, and that suffices to support all life and all human activity. BD2412 T 03:46, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

Human-crewed asteroid mining?

The article currently says: While early asteroid mining might involve crewed missions, advocates hope that eventually humanity could have automated mining done by self-replicating machines. This was added to the article some years ago, but I don't think anyone now thinks that asteroid mining will be done by humans at all, rather than by machines. BD2412 T 03:48, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

Adding other attempts beside surplus to account for economics

There are many ideas on how functioning a post scarcity world would be, leading to the insight as to if such a world would even be possible. expanding on the possible "how" and "what it looks like" as example or move all to a new page. examples of a few that discuss it are as follow: 1. Resource-Based Economy (RBE) — Jacque Fresco (already reference only in note) / The Venus Project

This identifies that money-as-we-know-it becomes obsolete. with no money, no exchange, just pure resource management. this skips over the how and just jumps to the end.

2. Fully Automated Luxury Communism (FALC) — Aaron Bastani (already reference further reading)

This suggests that trends in energy, labor, and production could eliminate scarcity and enable a future defined by abundance, reduced working hours, and universal access to luxuries previously reserved for the wealthy.

3. Post-Scarcity Anarchism — Murray Bookchin (already given a paragraph)

Adding the main talking point of the post-industrial world (except its lack of ecologically sustainable) already provides people with their basic survival needs easily met, that scarcity in that sense being artificially maintained.

etc. recent works that show the "how's" are:

4. HOURS Framework - hoursframework.org

Modeling a time currency, with pricing around 4 entropy domains. usable thru the transition from subsistence to post scarcity. (open-source, being publicly built)

5. The Infinity Economy - https://ideas.repec.org/p/hal/wpaper/hal-05109812.html

reimagining of how value is produced (work in progress) ~2026-28434-62 (talk) 04:36, 11 May 2026 (UTC)