Talk:Pope Liberius

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" the earliest pope who did not become a saint.".. I noted that the earlier Pope Marcellinus is not mentioned to have been sanctified either... is this an oversight, a result of confusion of historicity, or soemthing else? -FZ 02:54, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Marcellinus was sainted. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 15:52, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Do we know why the Western Church doesn't regard Liberius as a saint while the Eastern Church does? Pstanton (talk) 21:25, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I understand that in the early Church up until the middle ages, he was in fact regarded as a saint. His feast day was 23rd September. Some sources today still describe his as a saint ,indeed the Vatican website describes him as Pope St LIberius as does Denzinger As for w — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnjoseph (talk • contribs) 11:44, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Picture doesn't match

The image in the infobox is not of this pope but of a later saint -- Dan Fefferman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.95.4 (talk) 21:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

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Citation Needed

Would new advent be a good source to remove the tag of cn? I'm referring to this link https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09217a.htm which was already quoted as a note in the infobox. Temp0000002 (talk) 13:54, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

The article is now changed. I believe the citation tag can be removed. Temp0000002 (talk) 12:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Pope Liberius is also a Catholic saint

Pope Liberius is wrongly described as a pope who is not venerated in the Catholic Church, but it's not true. In the traditional Roman calendar 23rd September was his feast day. Also the archbishop Romuald Jałbrzykowski wrote an article about him where he described him as a Catholic saint: https://brewiarz.pl/czytelnia/swieci/09-24h.php3 176.104.177.82 (talk) 16:18, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

Can you give a citation to the traditional Roman calendar you write of? Also, can you write an English language citation for the source by Romuald Jałbrzykowski? Jc3s5h (talk) 17:00, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

I found for now this about his feast day: https://blog.theotokos.co.za/?p=8294

Here there is an English language citation from the translator:

The title: Saint Liberius. Pope

"Liberius lived at a time when Arianism was at its peak. Against this backdrop, his figure is not particularly clear and has even become the subject of some controversy. He ascended to the throne of St. Peter on May 17, 352. A year later, Constantius assumed effective power in the Empire, pursuing policies clearly favorable to Arianism. Taking advantage of this, the Arian bishops attempted to oust Athanasius and perhaps even divide him from the Western episcopates. Rome initially refused to participate in these intrigues, but the papal legates sent to Arles yielded to the emperor's pressure and, like most of the Gaulish episcopate, signed a condemnation of Athanasius. Liberius then distanced himself from this, and Lucifer of Cagliari, his legate to the Council of Milan (355), was forced into exile. Liberius later suffered the same fate: he was exiled to Thrace, with the Roman clergy remaining loyal to the pope. Over time, however, Liberius yielded to pressure from friends connected with the government and signed the formula devised at the Synod of Sirmium (351). It was ultimately acceptable, although it sinned by omitting important matters, the subject of the actual controversy.

In four letters, Liberius later explained his actions and sought justification for them, but he never signed the second formula of Sirmium (357), which openly opposed the Nicene Creed. That same year, he was able to travel to Sirmium himself, where he signed the third formula, prepared by Basil of Ancyra and accompanied by a declaration that testified to his approval of the "Nicene" believers. The Pope was then able to return to Rome, where, however, he had to share power with Felix, installed there by the emperor after his exile. Over time, Felix withdrew on his own, and in 365, he died. Liberius, meanwhile, joined the efforts embodied in the synod held in Alexandria under the presidency of Athanasius (362). He then sent out letters calling for unity. He died on September 24, 366." 176.104.177.82 (talk) 20:47, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

Romuald Jałbrzykowski was a Catholic bishop so he couldn't say something that has nothing to do with the truth about the pope Liberius: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romuald_Ja%C5%82brzykowski 176.104.177.82 (talk) 20:50, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

I can't figure out what kind of website https://blog.theotokos.co.za is or whether it should be considered a reliable source. Also, you have not given an English language citation for https://brewiarz.pl/czytelnia/swieci/09-24h.php3 and even if there is a citation, Wikipedia normally requires that sources be reasonably recent. See WP:AGE MATTERS. Jc3s5h (talk) 21:28, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

This article has only a Polish language citation from this old publication: "Podręczna Encyklopedia Kościelna" opr. pod kierunkiem ks. ks. Stan. Galla, Jana Niedzielskiego, Henr. Przezdzieckiego, Czesł. Sokołowskiego, Ant. Szlagowskiego, Jerzego Gautier i redaktora ks. Zygmunta Chełmickiego. K.–L. Tom XXIII–XXIV. Warszawa 1911, ss. 326-327 (in English: "Reference Encyclopedia of the Church" edited under the supervision of Rev. Rev. Stanislaw Gall, Jan Niedzielski, Henryk Przezdziecki, Czesław Sokołowski, Anton Szlagowski, Jerzy Gautier and editor Rev. Zygmunt Chełmicki. K.–L. Volume XXIII–XXIV. Warsaw 1911, pp. 326-327)

I cannot find the original source so it's impossible for me now to translate it. 176.104.177.82 (talk) 21:43, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

If the article can be considered a reliable source, and if it actually supports the idea that Liberius is considered a Catholic saint, that would be enough. We don't have to research the sources that are used by the sources we cite. But you have not provided an English citation for the article. Jc3s5h (talk) 22:14, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

Here there are another two texts of the 19th century French Catholic priests which wrote that the pope Liberius is a Catholic saint: http://www.liberius.net/livres/Le_pape_saint_Libere_000000008.pdf 176.104.177.47 (talk) 18:13, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Another text of Fr. Paul Guerin, 19th century French Catholic priest from Les Petits Bollandistes in which pope Liberius is viewed as a saint: https://sanctoral.com/en/saints/saint_damasus.html 176.104.177.47 (talk) 18:22, 9 October 2025 (UTC)